Alien Earth Episode 8 Finale

ALIEN EARTH EPISODE 8 TRANSCRIPT

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[DEREK]: This is the Alien Podcast on TV Podcast Industries.

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[DEREK]: We're back for the finale of Alien Earth with Episode 8, The Real Monsters.

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[BOY KAVALIER]: Who was gonna give a six year old his own empire? so,

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[BOY KAVALIER]: I just made myself a figurehead.

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[SLIGHTLY]: You killed your father.

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[BOY KAVALIER]: No, the point isn't who killed who.

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[BOY KAVALIER]: The point is I'm running a multi-trillion dollar business, and that's before people find out they can be immortal for a low, low price.

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[CURLY]: We don't belong to you.

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[BOY KAVALIER]: Of course you do, sweeties.

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[BOY KAVALIER]: You're flora models.

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[DEREK]: Welcome back, fellow lost boys and girls.

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[DEREK]: This is TV Podcast Industries.

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[DEREK]: We're back for the finale of Alien Earth, The Real Monsters.

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[DEREK]: I'm one of your hosts, Derek.

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[JOHN]: Yes, hello there, and welcome back, fellow aliens.

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[JOHN]: I am one of your other hosts, John.

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[DEREK]: Has everyone been turned into an alien there, John?

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[JOHN]: No, well, I've been calling them fellow aliens and fellow lost boys.

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[DEREK]: That's true, that's true, yes.

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[DEREK]: And I've just been calling them lost boys and girls.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, that's just because of the boys, because we're covering Gen V at the moment as well, so I was calling them boys and girls from there, and now it's lost boys and girls, you see, that's the connection there.

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[JOHN]: It is.

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[DEREK]: Since we're doing butt shows at the same time, it makes it easier for me to remember, to be completely honest.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely, and if you haven't got your fill of blood from Alien Earth, then head on over to our Gen V podcast.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[JOHN]: Where there is plenty of blood, and in fact one of the main characters is a blood bender.

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[DEREK]: She is.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: Yeah.

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[DEREK]: And also, we do have a sacrificial goat on Gen V, and here we have the sacrificial lamb, I guess.

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[JOHN]: I guess, yeah.

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[DEREK]: We're on over here.

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[JOHN]: So, Spectacles, Tessicles, Wallet and Watch.

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[DEREK]: Yes, yes.

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[JOHN]: Sacrificial.

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[DEREK]: Sacrificial.

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[DEREK]: But we are going to discuss the final episode of Alien Earth, which I think we can now be convinced the aim was to set up for Season 2, right?

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[JOHN]: Yeah, no, absolutely, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: I mean, I really enjoyed this episode, but I have to say, it felt like a curveball as to what it did.

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[JOHN]: Like, I just, I was not expecting kind of just the ending.

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[JOHN]: I'm absolutely convinced.

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[JOHN]: Okay, it's set up for a Season 2.

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[JOHN]: Literally, most of the protagonists are alive.

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[JOHN]: Indeed, one of them has, you know, quote, come back to life in a sense.

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[JOHN]: And we'll get to that during our conversation.

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[DEREK]: Oh, we will, yeah.

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[JOHN]: But I do, it wasn't what I was expecting.

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[JOHN]: And I know the Alien tore through all the security staff.

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[JOHN]: And it's not that there wasn't any sort of, you know, that horror or violence, but it was not really directed at the main contingent.

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[JOHN]: Like I thought it would be.

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[JOHN]: Let's put it that way.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, they've kept a lot of people alive that have been main characters for the season so far.

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[JOHN]: Which is great.

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[DEREK]: But I must say that I've been seeing, as you do at the end of any season, I've been seeing lots of criticism of the show and lots of people saying it didn't give us any answers.

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[DEREK]: It just led up to a season two, so the whole series was a waste.

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[DEREK]: I'm going, no, that's a television show.

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[DEREK]: It did give us loads of answers for the things that we've been invested in for the season so far and set up a second season of a great TV show.

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[DEREK]: So I'm really excited.

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[DEREK]: I hope we get confirmation of that pretty soon.

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[DEREK]: FX usually aren't slow at announcing second seasons and follow ups to their shows.

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[DEREK]: We covered Shogun recently, which did get a sequel to the first season, which was based in a book and the second season won't be based in a book.

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[DEREK]: So FX believe in you and you've had the right ratings.

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[DEREK]: They're likely gonna come back with another season.

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[DEREK]: I know how he's done many multiple season shows with them in the past.

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[DEREK]: So I know when he was on the official podcast, he said the intention here is multiple seasons if he can get it over the line, but he wants to ensure that everybody's happy with the first season to begin with.

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[JOHN]: Excellent stuff.

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[DEREK]: There you go.

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[DEREK]: There you go.

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[DEREK]: And we hope to hear from you about some of the other shows that we're covering.

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[JOHN]: Absolutely.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, it's been really good getting your thoughts on this season of Alien Earth.

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[JOHN]: Certainly for me, who felt that this was a little different than what I was expecting in terms of the final episodes, and I've absolutely loved all the episodes of this show.

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[JOHN]: And I'm really pleased that there's a lot of the original cast there because they worked so, so well.

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[JOHN]: And I think, you know, yes, it would have been nice to see Boy Kavalier get his comeuppance and so on.

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[JOHN]: But equally, he's not in a good place.

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[JOHN]: And I think, yeah, season two, absolutely bring it on because I'd love to see how it progresses on.

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[JOHN]: You know, is it going to go straight from there?

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[JOHN]: Or will it sort of have a time jump of some description?

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[JOHN]: Because I think there's really, I think Noah Hawley has played around really well in this sandbox and has come up with something fresh, not just in terms of looking at the synths, the hybrids, the cyborgs, but in terms of looking at the Xenomorph and I guess the cluster of other aliens as well.

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[JOHN]: So it's really good.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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[DEREK]: Now, there was actually a time jump in this episode, wasn't there, from last week's episode.

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[DEREK]: It didn't take place immediately after last week's cliffhanger of an ending.

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[DEREK]: So we'll talk about all of that when we get into our discussion about the episode.

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[JOHN]: Indeed.

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[JOHN]: Derek, take us away with who gave us what, where, when and how.

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[DEREK]: For the final time this season, the show is based on characters created by Dan O'Bannon and Ronald Shusett with HR.

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[DEREK]: Geiger.

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[DEREK]: The show runner for the show is Noah Hawley and the episode was written once again by Noah Hawley, this time with Migizi Pensoneou.

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[DEREK]: Migizi was an actor, writer and producer on Reservation Dogs.

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[DEREK]: John, I know you're a big fan of Reservation Dogs.

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[JOHN]: Oh, absolutely.

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[JOHN]: I really enjoyed that first season.

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[JOHN]: I think there's, I need to get into the other seasons.

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[JOHN]: It's more time than anything because I absolutely love the first season of Reservation Dogs.

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[JOHN]: It's kind of my non-podcast treat in a sense, a bit like Snowfall Walls and so on.

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[JOHN]: I mean, absolutely, would love to have podcast on them, but yeah, it just, there's only so many hours in a day.

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[DEREK]: Exactly.

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[DEREK]: And we have enough shows that we're podcasting on that we can't get a range of podcasting on.

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[DEREK]: So let's not add another one, but definitely well worth watching Reservation Dogs.

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[DEREK]: The episode directed once again by Dana Gonzales, closing out his run on this season, all the episodes that he directed as well.

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[JOHN]: Excellent stuff, yeah.

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[DEREK]: John, do you want to tell us what they gave us with your synopsis for Alien Earth Finale, The Real Monsters?

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[JOHN]: Sure.

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[JOHN]: The hybrids have been imprisoned in one cell, with Joe and Morrow imprisoned in another.

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[JOHN]: With external communication severed by Morrow, Boy Kavalier is trying to restore control to the island.

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[JOHN]: But Wendy uses her abilities to interface with technology to start shutting down the facility's cameras and internal communications, turning the Neverland facility into a haunted house and plunging it into even more chaos.

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[JOHN]: She struggles with her brother Joe's decision to shoot Nibs, believing he chose to ally himself with humans instead of her, but ultimately unlocks his cell, allowing him and Morrow to escape.

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[JOHN]: Boy Kavalier approaches the hybrids, believing them to be under control, and reveals that at six years old he built his own synthetic, which he used to kill his abusive father.

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[JOHN]: Wendy unlocks their cell, Nibs kills Kavalier's bodyguard, and Boy Kavalier flees, beginning a game of hide and seek with the hybrids in pursuit.

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[JOHN]: Meanwhile, after escaping their cell, Morrow sneaks up to Kirsh in the lab and attacks him.

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[JOHN]: Kirsh is badly damaged, but ultimately chokes Morrow unconscious.

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[JOHN]: Smee and Slightly arrive in the lab, and they incapacitate both Kirsh and Morrow, while Nibs captures Dame Sylvia.

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[JOHN]: Meanwhile, Atom Eins lures Joe to Kavalier's room and locks him in with the T-Occulus in a plan to deliver a communicative version of the creature to Boy K.

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[JOHN]: But Wendy arrives to save Joe and fights Atom Eins, who reveals himself as a synthetic.

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[JOHN]: Using her abilities, Wendy is able to control his motor functions and stop his attack in its tracks.

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[JOHN]: During the battle, the T-Occulus escapes to the beach where it possesses Arthur Sylvia's corpse.

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[JOHN]: With the help of the older Xenomorph, Wendy and Joe capture Boy Kavalier and lock him in a cell with the rest of the grown-ups.

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[JOHN]: Wendy reaches the realisation that Boy K might pretend to be a child, but he is an adult who has chosen to hate the rest of the world, just like his father before him.

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[JOHN]: As Yutani and her team approach the island, Wendy, with both Xenomorphs nearby, declares to a hybrid brethren, now we rule.

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[DEREK]: And they do rule in this episode.

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[DEREK]: I thought this episode was really, really good.

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[DEREK]: I love that as the closing line.

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[DEREK]: And yeah, just getting into that another Pearl Jam song, I think, closes out this episode, another rock song, when they're basically ready to take over the world now, you know, they've achieved their plan and ready to go.

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[DEREK]: It's cool.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, no, it is.

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[JOHN]: I mean, it's a nice power dynamic switch that happens here.

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[JOHN]: And I mean, it's quite comprehensive, really, with the skills that Wendy possesses, those upgrades, I guess, that Boy Kavalier gave to her, as opposed to the other hybrids.

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[JOHN]: And he didn't really think that they would come to ultimately help with his downfall.

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[JOHN]: So it was kind of quite nice, that, for sure.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: I mentioned at the beginning there that there was a bit of a jump between last week's episode.

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[DEREK]: Last week, we had the standoff between Wendy and Nibs and Joe, effectively Joe taking out Nibs.

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[DEREK]: We thought maybe the Xeno would come in and take out the attackers, and it would continue the battle, and they'd escape effectively.

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[DEREK]: But this takes a time jump, and we start out with all of the hybrids now in one cell.

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[JOHN]: Yes.

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[JOHN]: All of them in...

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[JOHN]: It's basically cells, cells, cells.

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[JOHN]: And you have the remaining five hybrids in a cell, and you have Morrow and Joe in another cell.

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[JOHN]: And yeah, it's kind of really interesting this, because I just, I like the way Wendy kind of comes to the realisation and goes.

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[JOHN]: And you know, there's quite a sort of deep conversation being, going on between them, because Wendy and Nibs are saying how they've passed their graves.

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[JOHN]: And you have Slightly saying how Isaac's actual real name, it wasn't Isaac, although that's the name he chose.

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[JOHN]: It certainly wasn't Tootles, it was Steve, Stephen, and that he was called Steve-o.

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[JOHN]: So you're having this conversation and Nibs kind of comes, yeah, we're just ghosts.

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[JOHN]: And it's that moment where Wendy kind of realises well, what do ghosts do?

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[JOHN]: They haunt houses and realises that despite being behind bars, she's able to interface with the electronics like we saw her do earlier on, which we heard, I'd say, Boy Kavalier saying, well, I've given her a few upgrades.

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[DEREK]: Yeah, we're just going to do that right from the beginning.

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[DEREK]: That's how she was keeping track of Joe the whole time when she was trying to keep an eye on him.

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[DEREK]: She was interfacing with all the computers around and effectively turning him into her own touchscreens.

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[DEREK]: I wonder if that come across to people that don't know the Aliens Universe at all?

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[DEREK]: Because they've never had touchscreens at all.

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[DEREK]: And we're so used to seeing people with them that it's not really a surprise.

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[DEREK]: But when is the only one that can do that?

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[DEREK]: She interfaces with any type of screen and can effectively connect across the network to any other screen, whether it's on the island of Neverland or not, whether it's in the real world or not.

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[DEREK]: She's interfacing with all of this stuff.

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[DEREK]: So I know that they had the moment when she refused Joe's request to leave planet and go off to medical college.

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[DEREK]: To illustrate how powerful her powers of being able to interface are, I suppose.

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[DEREK]: But here, she's effectively now in control of the entire facility because she realizes, well now, I'm a ghost haunting the house.

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[DEREK]: Part of this was through that conversation, she's telling the rest of them, we can't be kids and they won't let us grow up.

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[DEREK]: What the hell are we supposed to be to these people?

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[DEREK]: They're telling us that these bodies were really important people, but they're not allowing us to do anything at all.

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[DEREK]: They're just locking us down.

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[DEREK]: I love this idea where we're the ghosts that are haunting the houses, they should be afraid of us.

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[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly.

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[JOHN]: It was really good.

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[JOHN]: I think the other thing here as well that you get in the cell with the hybrids, and in particular with Wendy is she is struggling with what Joe did to Nibs.

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[JOHN]: She's got him on screen, she's looking at him as he sort of peers out of his cell.

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[JOHN]: She thinks that he sided with the humans over them by shooting Nibs.

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[JOHN]: And I like the fact that in essence, in that moment, she may not have released Joe and indeed Morrow in consequence from their cell.

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[JOHN]: And I think she's debating that, well, do they deserve to be released?

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[JOHN]: Or primarily Joe, you know, can Joe be associated with me and with us?

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[JOHN]: And she is battling with it, I think.

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[JOHN]: And what I do like here is because I think Smee is such an understated character, effectively he's been kind of in the background a lot of the time across most of these episodes, is mainly with Slightly where we've seen him interact or within a group's setting, you know?

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[JOHN]: And here in this moment, you know, he kind of sidles up to Wendy here, he's involved a bit in her conversation and he says, oh no, he's one of us and hugs her.

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[JOHN]: And I thought in that moment Smee has, because he is in essence, I think, the most childlike of all of them, the way he's gone round, you know?

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[JOHN]: He's like, I just want to play, why have you grown up Slightly?

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[JOHN]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: And his sign of affection is to hug.

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[JOHN]: Yeah.

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[JOHN]: To hold, to comfort, to calm down, whatever it is.

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[JOHN]: He does the same again here for Wendy.

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[JOHN]: And you then get Wendy unlocking Joe's cell, which also includes Morrow, who maybe she didn't intend to release really, but it is the consequence of that.

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[JOHN]: And I just like that moment with Smee, because I think that's almost like his hero moment, I think.

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[DEREK]: Absolutely.

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[DEREK]: He's certainly the most emotional of the whole team.

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[DEREK]: He is the one that leads by his emotions.

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[DEREK]: Definitely I can remember when Arthur was telling them that he'd take care of them.

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[DEREK]: He's the one that reached out and took Arthur's hand like a child being led by their parents.

00:16:50.893 --> 00:16:54.153
[DEREK]: So this has always been part of Smee's character.

00:16:54.633 --> 00:16:55.113
[DEREK]: I've loved him.

00:16:55.113 --> 00:16:58.913
[DEREK]: I've loved what the actor's done with Smee so much throughout the season so far.

00:16:58.913 --> 00:17:04.113
[DEREK]: He's been such a really interesting version of this child in an adult body.

00:17:04.113 --> 00:17:08.553
[DEREK]: Jonathan Ajayi who plays the character has done such a brilliant job bringing that to life.

00:17:08.553 --> 00:17:15.413
[DEREK]: You can really see an eight year old or nine year old kid every time he's on screen, even though he's much older in an adult body.

00:17:15.573 --> 00:17:17.413
[DEREK]: So it's been really, really good.

00:17:17.413 --> 00:17:19.353
[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

00:17:19.353 --> 00:17:22.973
[JOHN]: And of course, it is the bookend here of the cells as well.

00:17:22.973 --> 00:17:23.633
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:17:23.633 --> 00:17:44.453
[JOHN]: You know, we start here with the power dynamic, resting clearly with Prodigy Corp, Boy Kavalier, with those people that he would class as enemies or a threat being under control or behind bars in a cell, in a holding cell.

00:17:44.453 --> 00:17:44.593
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:17:45.113 --> 00:17:50.053
[JOHN]: I mean, they do say these weren't really designed to hold the hybrids even.

00:17:50.053 --> 00:18:05.193
[JOHN]: But I think they meant that from a physical point of view, rather than ultimately what Wendy then does, which is to use her specific upgrades and abilities afforded to her by being the first hybrid.

00:18:05.193 --> 00:18:05.393
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:18:05.733 --> 00:18:15.053
[DEREK]: I think this also speaks to the other element of the show, them taking back all of the monsters from space and trying to hold them in cells that aren't created to hold the monsters from space.

00:18:15.053 --> 00:18:16.093
[DEREK]: That's what happened.

00:18:16.093 --> 00:18:22.273
[DEREK]: That's why they're on the run and that's why they've been released now because they didn't really know what they had in their hand.

00:18:22.873 --> 00:18:29.533
[DEREK]: If they'd known, maybe they wouldn't have had a glass case for the T Ocellus to be able to watch around and make his plans against us.

00:18:31.053 --> 00:18:36.353
[DEREK]: They've once again landed on their downfall being they weren't prepared to do what they have to do here.

00:18:36.353 --> 00:18:46.693
[DEREK]: They're not prepared with how you would deal with hybrids in a cage because they've all gotten out and ended off taking them down.

00:18:46.693 --> 00:18:59.373
[DEREK]: One of the things I just want to mention in our first point here in the cells, there's a great discussion there between Curly and Marcy or Wendy, where they're talking about the names of the kids on the gravestones.

00:18:59.373 --> 00:19:05.873
[DEREK]: They talk about the fact that Curly's name was Jane, and she's saying she's not supposed to be there because she's the favorite of Boy K.

00:19:05.873 --> 00:19:12.413
[DEREK]: She seems to have gotten that in her head that Boy K told her that she was his favorite.

00:19:12.413 --> 00:19:16.433
[DEREK]: Eventually, Marcy just looks at her and goes, no, you don't seem to understand here.

00:19:16.433 --> 00:19:24.633
[DEREK]: The favorite was Wendy, Wendy Darling, and when she grew up, he went and kidnapped her child, and that child was Jane, just like you.

00:19:24.633 --> 00:19:29.053
[DEREK]: You were never the favorite, you were just a replacement for Wendy when she grew up.

00:19:29.493 --> 00:19:32.393
[DEREK]: I love how that story has come a bit full circle.

00:19:32.393 --> 00:19:43.233
[DEREK]: It's almost been like Boy K has been trying to force their whole story into the tale of Peter Pan, but all the bad elements of it are kind of busting out of the story to destroy it almost.

00:19:43.233 --> 00:19:47.553
[DEREK]: Look, this isn't a great story for any of the kids, The Lost Boys or Peter Pan himself.

00:19:47.553 --> 00:20:00.513
[DEREK]: Everything goes to crap, and a lot of people are taking away and killed if they grow up was one of the elements of it, or thrown aside for a new and better model like the story of what happens with Jane and Wendy.

00:20:00.513 --> 00:20:07.313
[DEREK]: I love how they kind of kept the metaphor in there for the show, and it's not the simple metaphor of a boy who doesn't want to grow older.

00:20:08.713 --> 00:20:09.953
[JOHN]: No, absolutely not.

00:20:09.953 --> 00:20:14.533
[JOHN]: I mean, it's the psychotic boy that imprisons people.

00:20:14.533 --> 00:20:25.353
[DEREK]: Absolutely, and speaking of which, that's kind of my next big moment from the episode, is the discussion from Boy K when he does come down and stands in front of the hybrids, thinking they're all still locked inside.

00:20:25.353 --> 00:20:28.533
[JOHN]: Well, they technically are, when he's there.

00:20:29.013 --> 00:20:29.893
[JOHN]: Yes, they are.

00:20:29.893 --> 00:20:32.973
[JOHN]: I have to say, it's just...

00:20:32.973 --> 00:20:38.113
[JOHN]: The look on his face as the door just swings open is phenomenal.

00:20:38.113 --> 00:20:40.753
[JOHN]: It was so good, so well done.

00:20:40.753 --> 00:20:50.533
[JOHN]: But yeah, equally, to sit there and hear his story, I mean, it's interesting, isn't it?

00:20:50.533 --> 00:20:53.693
[JOHN]: And it would fit totally into corporate policy.

00:20:53.693 --> 00:20:56.573
[JOHN]: Well, we want to hear your story, you know?

00:20:56.993 --> 00:21:02.653
[JOHN]: And we want to know about your story, because then we'll know whether you can, I don't know, manage people.

00:21:02.653 --> 00:21:03.453
[JOHN]: Okay.

00:21:03.453 --> 00:21:14.853
[JOHN]: Well, clearly, if Prodigy Corp, LLC, had listened to the story, they'd be going, why did he find us?

00:21:14.853 --> 00:21:23.013
[JOHN]: You know, or it's just, it is the point of spoiled, rich people, children, whatever.

00:21:23.013 --> 00:21:25.133
[JOHN]: Well, we can do it because we own it.

00:21:25.273 --> 00:21:28.533
[JOHN]: We have the money, as though that's the entitlement.

00:21:28.533 --> 00:21:58.293
[JOHN]: Certainly, when it comes to, and it's to the point of Wendy or Marcy, is their lives or their existence, however you want to choose it, whether it is them, in their conscious form, in a synthetic, the hybrid entirety of it all, or what they did with the children previously, or what they did with the aliens is that they can commercialise a Xenomorph, effectively.

00:21:58.293 --> 00:22:05.073
[JOHN]: That is, for military purposes, for biological, biotech purposes, whatever it might be.

00:22:05.073 --> 00:22:21.973
[JOHN]: And it's just really, really good that that is the basis there, and that you get this, almost like this HR corporateness of him telling them his story, which ultimately is shocking.

00:22:21.973 --> 00:22:22.413
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

00:22:23.453 --> 00:22:25.433
[DEREK]: Yeah, because he came from nothing.

00:22:25.433 --> 00:22:26.213
[DEREK]: It's part of the story.

00:22:26.213 --> 00:22:27.333
[DEREK]: He's not a rich person.

00:22:27.333 --> 00:22:28.313
[DEREK]: He came from nothing.

00:22:28.313 --> 00:22:31.813
[DEREK]: He lived in a place where his father was an alcoholic.

00:22:31.813 --> 00:22:41.913
[DEREK]: He felt his father would either kill him out of jealousy for his intelligence or would die of, or he might die of just the beatings that he was getting.

00:22:41.913 --> 00:22:44.573
[DEREK]: He was so intelligent that he did build his own synthetic.

00:22:44.573 --> 00:22:46.813
[DEREK]: And that's the age of six.

00:22:46.813 --> 00:22:47.213
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:22:47.213 --> 00:22:49.513
[DEREK]: So that's the real surprise, I suppose.

00:22:49.513 --> 00:22:58.793
[DEREK]: Again, we've kind of wondered about his intelligence, whether he just says he's intelligent or is he really intelligent, if he was able to build his own synthetic from scratch at six years old.

00:22:58.793 --> 00:23:09.733
[DEREK]: And it'd be so good that people would think that that's his actual father because he killed his father and then replaced him with the synthetic, which has been confirmed that's Atom Eins.

00:23:09.733 --> 00:23:14.413
[DEREK]: Atom Eins is the synthetic that he built and he took the place of his father.

00:23:14.413 --> 00:23:16.073
[DEREK]: So he's been with them since the start.

00:23:16.113 --> 00:23:16.493
[JOHN]: Okay.

00:23:16.493 --> 00:23:16.973
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:23:16.973 --> 00:23:17.413
[DEREK]: Which I love.

00:23:17.413 --> 00:23:18.113
[DEREK]: I love that idea.

00:23:18.113 --> 00:23:19.313
[JOHN]: That is really cool.

00:23:19.313 --> 00:23:20.953
[JOHN]: But I didn't get that from the episode.

00:23:21.033 --> 00:23:30.333
[DEREK]: No, it was said by the actor, by Ed Edmondson in an interview afterwards, that he is the first synth, the one that Boy K built.

00:23:30.513 --> 00:23:31.133
[JOHN]: That's cool.

00:23:31.133 --> 00:23:32.173
[JOHN]: Yeah, that's very cool.

00:23:32.173 --> 00:23:35.073
[DEREK]: It's partly because he has to do everything that Boy K says.

00:23:35.553 --> 00:23:37.853
[DEREK]: That's how it comes across in the episode.

00:23:37.853 --> 00:23:42.873
[DEREK]: You see a couple of moments where Atom Eins, he's kind of turning like a lot of the synths do.

00:23:42.873 --> 00:23:45.893
[DEREK]: He's kind of turning into the, kind of like Kirsh.

00:23:45.893 --> 00:23:48.153
[DEREK]: He's getting to that point where he's like, well, I can't really say it.

00:23:48.153 --> 00:23:50.613
[DEREK]: I'm not allowed to say I told you so to Boy K.

00:23:50.853 --> 00:23:55.073
[DEREK]: But if I could, I would say, I told you so at this very moment.

00:23:55.073 --> 00:23:55.973
[DEREK]: So there's a little bit of that.

00:23:56.693 --> 00:24:02.693
[DEREK]: But yeah, the story of him killing his father, I thought it was older than six, but yeah, it says six years old.

00:24:02.693 --> 00:24:21.993
[DEREK]: So, and then from that point onwards, so he's made the decision at six years old to kill his father and then move on and start the process of creating enough to create his empire effectively at six years old with no boundaries and the only person responsible for him being someone that he's created himself.

00:24:21.993 --> 00:24:23.453
[DEREK]: So that totally explains why.

00:24:23.453 --> 00:24:30.073
[JOHN]: Created him to obey him at every order, which included killing his own father.

00:24:30.073 --> 00:24:30.833
[DEREK]: Exactly.

00:24:30.833 --> 00:24:31.153
[DEREK]: Exactly.

00:24:31.153 --> 00:24:32.053
[JOHN]: At six years old.

00:24:32.053 --> 00:24:39.053
[JOHN]: So, I mean, yeah, it is a really terrifying story.

00:24:39.073 --> 00:24:39.753
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

00:24:39.753 --> 00:24:47.133
[JOHN]: This, like, still relatively young psychopath heads this organization.

00:24:48.393 --> 00:24:51.393
[JOHN]: You can see why he's so flip and so obnoxious.

00:24:51.393 --> 00:24:51.953
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:24:51.953 --> 00:24:58.613
[DEREK]: And again, one of the things that you kind of extrapolate from this concept that he is a six-year-old who's created a killer robot.

00:24:58.613 --> 00:25:04.353
[DEREK]: You know, the rules that are there that are supposed to be there in science fiction from iRobot, from Azak Asimov.

00:25:04.913 --> 00:25:10.173
[DEREK]: One of the rules is when you create a synthetic being, number one rule should be it doesn't kill humans.

00:25:10.173 --> 00:25:15.233
[DEREK]: Number two rule is it should protect humans as long as it doesn't contravene number one.

00:25:15.233 --> 00:25:18.153
[DEREK]: You know, that's the that's the rules is it doesn't kill humans.

00:25:18.153 --> 00:25:26.813
[DEREK]: This synthetic was built effectively to kill the kids father, you know, and then step back and take care of him for the rest of his life.

00:25:26.813 --> 00:25:29.893
[DEREK]: So it was created with murder in mind effectively.

00:25:29.893 --> 00:25:34.233
[DEREK]: So completely contravening those laws, which I just think is an interesting little twist on it as well.

00:25:34.253 --> 00:25:53.293
[JOHN]: And it does, it puts Boy K into the dark perspective that we kind of have known, you know, it is this idea of, you know, a sociopath, a psychopath, whatever, hiding in sort of normal sight here.

00:25:53.293 --> 00:26:10.173
[JOHN]: And it's the power and the wealth that he has that affords him leniency from the law that whatever exists, society and so on, or just buttresses him from it.

00:26:10.173 --> 00:26:12.693
[DEREK]: Well, now he's one of the lawmakers because he's one of the five, right?

00:26:12.693 --> 00:26:14.773
[DEREK]: So he's one of the five companies that ruled the world.

00:26:14.773 --> 00:26:16.453
[DEREK]: So he's effectively a lawmaker.

00:26:16.453 --> 00:26:17.473
[DEREK]: So nothing can stop him.

00:26:18.393 --> 00:26:21.873
[DEREK]: You know, well, except for the hybrids.

00:26:21.873 --> 00:26:38.393
[DEREK]: One other interesting discussion that's had as well, and I think he kind of mentioned earlier on, but just to say the discussion that he has with the hybrids themselves, where again, Curly is pushing the fact that she believes that she's the chosen one, she's the one that's his favorite.

00:26:38.393 --> 00:26:41.193
[DEREK]: And he goes, did I say that?

00:26:41.253 --> 00:26:52.793
[DEREK]: Doesn't really sound like something I'd say, as if she's made this whole thing up herself, because he was pushing her, he was kind of making her compete with Wendy for his affection, almost.

00:26:52.793 --> 00:27:00.053
[DEREK]: And he proves that he has zero affection for these creations of his.

00:27:00.053 --> 00:27:06.893
[JOHN]: That was the real interesting thing from this, just the notion that, you're my prototype.

00:27:06.933 --> 00:27:11.733
[JOHN]: And we kind of got that from Atom Eins, you know, a few episodes earlier.

00:27:11.733 --> 00:27:22.253
[JOHN]: But here it's like, you know, Atom Eins is getting it ultimately from his payments to his creator.

00:27:22.253 --> 00:27:31.913
[DEREK]: Yeah, he says so many, he says in a real old car salesman type of way, it's like, you know, all you are to me is the showroom models.

00:27:31.913 --> 00:27:37.493
[DEREK]: When I show you off, people will realise they'll be able to get immortality for one low, low price, you know.

00:27:37.493 --> 00:27:39.813
[DEREK]: So he sounds like that car salesman.

00:27:39.813 --> 00:27:40.533
[DEREK]: And that's all they are.

00:27:40.533 --> 00:27:43.733
[DEREK]: They're just products to make billions more.

00:27:43.733 --> 00:27:53.713
[DEREK]: I know there was an ulterior motive as well, that hopefully would have a moment where he'd be able to have a real conversation with somebody that has equaled his intelligence, which he does later on in the episode, definitely.

00:27:53.713 --> 00:28:02.553
[DEREK]: But at this point, he's looking at them saying they're effectively just locked behind in a cage for him to do with what he pleases.

00:28:02.633 --> 00:28:11.753
[DEREK]: And as you say, that realisation when the lock clicks and the door opens, and the hybrids are bearing down on them for their game of hide and seek, which is-

00:28:11.753 --> 00:28:13.593
[JOHN]: Well, Nibs gets his bodyguard.

00:28:13.593 --> 00:28:16.193
[JOHN]: I mean, he doesn't last very long.

00:28:16.193 --> 00:28:16.973
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:28:16.973 --> 00:28:27.113
[JOHN]: And that's the thing, the fact that he survives this episode, yeah, even though he is then in a cell at the end, yeah, was a surprise to me.

00:28:27.113 --> 00:28:28.393
[JOHN]: And certainly after some of these things.

00:28:28.393 --> 00:28:35.633
[JOHN]: But I am down for it because this is a character that we should stay with for a bit longer.

00:28:35.633 --> 00:28:36.393
[DEREK]: Yeah, yeah.

00:28:36.493 --> 00:28:42.573
[JOHN]: Now, we might not do, or who knows how a season two would potentially start if it ever happens.

00:28:42.573 --> 00:28:52.853
[JOHN]: But he is a character that you do want to stay with longer, even if it is just to really hate him even more.

00:28:52.853 --> 00:28:53.513
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

00:28:53.513 --> 00:29:00.853
[DEREK]: And again, you know, there's so many great villains on TV that you love to hate for years and years that you watch, you know, six seasons of a show.

00:29:00.853 --> 00:29:06.453
[DEREK]: And he always gets away or is allowed to live for the next day or whatever.

00:29:07.793 --> 00:29:10.653
[DEREK]: This guy will get his comeuppance at some point in the future.

00:29:10.653 --> 00:29:18.573
[DEREK]: And I'm happy enough to watch a few more episodes or even another season or two with him included in there, because he has been absolutely risible.

00:29:18.573 --> 00:29:23.413
[DEREK]: And there's still a good battle there between himself and Yutani, I think.

00:29:23.413 --> 00:29:26.453
[JOHN]: They even have quite a good theory, which would be quite nice.

00:29:26.533 --> 00:29:33.493
[JOHN]: I mean, that's the thing, at this stage, there's so many lovely comeuppances that could happen from many different people.

00:29:33.493 --> 00:29:37.953
[JOHN]: But I'll come to it slightly later, because I think it would be another good one, to be honest.

00:29:37.953 --> 00:29:38.793
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

00:29:38.793 --> 00:29:40.993
[JOHN]: And it involves two people.

00:29:40.993 --> 00:29:41.293
[DEREK]: Okay.

00:29:41.293 --> 00:29:42.893
[JOHN]: Two entities.

00:29:42.893 --> 00:29:43.333
[DEREK]: Excellent.

00:29:43.333 --> 00:29:43.573
[DEREK]: Excellent.

00:29:43.573 --> 00:29:45.353
[DEREK]: We will chat about that in a minute.

00:29:45.353 --> 00:29:54.433
[DEREK]: Anything else about this, I suppose, almost confrontation between Boy K and the hybrids until they release themselves?

00:29:54.873 --> 00:30:05.693
[JOHN]: No, I think I'd like to get on to the other cell at this stage and the escape of Morrow and Joe here.

00:30:05.933 --> 00:30:15.853
[JOHN]: In particular, Morrow, because, you know, he's kind of teamed up with Joe in a sense in that they're both in a cell.

00:30:15.853 --> 00:30:16.653
[JOHN]: Yes.

00:30:16.653 --> 00:30:18.753
[JOHN]: At the hands of Prodigy.

00:30:18.773 --> 00:30:19.433
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:30:19.433 --> 00:30:24.333
[JOHN]: But he's also not really that bothered that Joe is there.

00:30:24.333 --> 00:30:32.913
[JOHN]: I mean, I think he thinks if Joe is this wet towel, effectively, you know, very limp, not really going to do much here.

00:30:32.913 --> 00:30:39.833
[DEREK]: Although did you notice, we were talking about it a couple of episodes ago about Joe getting his lung replaced.

00:30:39.833 --> 00:30:45.613
[DEREK]: Did you notice, Morrow, did mention that to him, that now you are a hybrid like me, how does it feel to not be fully human anymore?

00:30:45.773 --> 00:30:49.753
[DEREK]: So, Morrow is almost seeing Joe as another person like him.

00:30:49.753 --> 00:30:50.293
[JOHN]: That's true.

00:30:50.293 --> 00:30:50.693
[DEREK]: In a way.

00:30:50.693 --> 00:30:51.593
[JOHN]: That is true.

00:30:51.593 --> 00:31:08.013
[JOHN]: I did like how they contained his hand as well with the big kind of the metal club element, but he does use it to good effect on the guard as they escape courtesy of Wendy in the other cell.

00:31:08.013 --> 00:31:13.333
[JOHN]: But he immediately starts to track and go after Kirsh.

00:31:13.653 --> 00:31:19.573
[DEREK]: Yeah, Joe goes off to save who he can, as he said, he's a medic by training.

00:31:19.573 --> 00:31:25.073
[DEREK]: As Joe goes, you see Morrow going, well, you do that, I'm going to burn this entire place down.

00:31:25.073 --> 00:31:27.453
[DEREK]: He goes, go for the kids, I'm going to burn the place down.

00:31:27.453 --> 00:31:29.233
[DEREK]: It's like, whoa, okay.

00:31:29.233 --> 00:31:32.333
[DEREK]: Yeah, he's on the inside now and he's going to go straight after Kirsh.

00:31:32.333 --> 00:31:32.913
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:31:32.913 --> 00:31:44.013
[JOHN]: Well, and more, I'm guessing, but I do like the fact that you see then Kirsh working away in the lab, you see him get up and go and there's two guards outside.

00:31:45.513 --> 00:31:50.633
[JOHN]: He comes back, sits down, and there's just two blood splatters on the glass.

00:31:50.633 --> 00:31:58.173
[JOHN]: And the doors open silently as then you see Morrow creeping up slowly but surely on Kirsh.

00:31:58.173 --> 00:32:03.833
[JOHN]: But Kirsh knows he's there and has sensed him however it is.

00:32:03.833 --> 00:32:18.973
[JOHN]: And what actually comes across here is just a really good battle between these two different forms of, I guess, based on the start, immortality, y'know?

00:32:18.973 --> 00:32:26.853
[JOHN]: And it was just really nice to see the white milk coming out of Kirsh at the end.

00:32:27.313 --> 00:32:29.033
[DEREK]: As his back is broken.

00:32:29.033 --> 00:32:29.333
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:32:29.973 --> 00:32:31.273
[DEREK]: Across the bench there, yeah.

00:32:31.273 --> 00:32:51.533
[JOHN]: But it's a pretty brutal fight because just the antagonism with which the two go after one another that we saw in, at least verbally, we're in the lift, y'know, where Morrow is effectively saying, well, the thing I like about killing synths is they don't scream.

00:32:51.533 --> 00:32:55.173
[JOHN]: And Kirsh is like, well, isn't that part of the enjoyment of it, or this kind of stuff?

00:32:55.673 --> 00:33:00.993
[JOHN]: They're like, really kind of torture language coming from the two of them.

00:33:00.993 --> 00:33:03.313
[DEREK]: I was waiting for a crushed eyeball, definitely.

00:33:03.313 --> 00:33:14.333
[JOHN]: And then, you know, you have this moment where seemingly Morrow gets the upper hand and breaks Kirsh's back.

00:33:14.333 --> 00:33:23.953
[JOHN]: But it's funny, I was half expecting the blow torch or the knife to suddenly materialise from Morrow's arm, and it didn't.

00:33:24.293 --> 00:33:28.853
[JOHN]: So I thought that was interesting, why that wasn't kind of in there as part of the fight.

00:33:28.853 --> 00:33:39.493
[JOHN]: But nonetheless, you have Kirsh really kind of disabled there with his back broken over the bench.

00:33:39.493 --> 00:33:48.533
[JOHN]: But then Morrow seems to get distracted, because they're in the lab with all the different critters and aliens.

00:33:49.713 --> 00:33:54.393
[JOHN]: And I think there has been a shot fired and the glass is broken.

00:33:54.393 --> 00:34:07.113
[JOHN]: So one of these creatures escapes and this gives Kirsh a chance just to then sort of knock Morrow out with the chokehold effectively.

00:34:07.133 --> 00:34:14.893
[DEREK]: It's the baby Xenomorph that gets out because that's who Kirsh had been giving lessons to.

00:34:14.893 --> 00:34:20.213
[DEREK]: I guess he'd been watching on in that area, looking after the Xenomorph.

00:34:20.213 --> 00:34:23.453
[DEREK]: So it's the baby Xenomorph that escapes, which what's freaking Morrow out.

00:34:23.453 --> 00:34:25.893
[DEREK]: Because yeah, he's had dealings with that.

00:34:25.893 --> 00:34:31.353
[DEREK]: There was an interesting moment when he said to Joe, when Joe was looking at him going, you were on that ship, weren't you?

00:34:31.353 --> 00:34:32.033
[DEREK]: You shot me.

00:34:32.033 --> 00:34:33.953
[DEREK]: And he goes, I saved your life.

00:34:33.953 --> 00:34:39.133
[DEREK]: Kind of a little bit of an explanation for why Joe wasn't killed by the Xenomorph at that party.

00:34:39.133 --> 00:34:43.093
[DEREK]: Morrow saving him from the Xenomorph by knocking him out, he thinks anyway.

00:34:43.093 --> 00:34:45.013
[JOHN]: So yeah, absolutely.

00:34:45.013 --> 00:34:51.173
[DEREK]: If Joe had been not knocked out when the Xenomorph got free, he would have taken him out along with all the rest of the soldiers.

00:34:51.173 --> 00:34:55.293
[JOHN]: He's already knocked out the Xenomorph and then he knocks out Joe.

00:34:55.293 --> 00:35:01.533
[DEREK]: Yeah, but do you remember just after that, the Xenomorph gets free again and kills all of the soldiers.

00:35:01.553 --> 00:35:06.533
[DEREK]: And it would have gone after Joe again, because Joe would have been a full human alive and awake, basically.

00:35:06.533 --> 00:35:10.873
[DEREK]: So because he was unconscious is the argument, at least, that Morrow is giving.

00:35:10.873 --> 00:35:14.193
[DEREK]: So yeah, so Morrow knows he has to deal with the Xenomorph.

00:35:14.193 --> 00:35:21.153
[DEREK]: He realises it's free, is distracted, and then is taken out here by Kirsh, knocked down to the ground.

00:35:21.153 --> 00:35:27.413
[DEREK]: And both of them are now unconscious when Slightly and Smee come in to gather them up.

00:35:27.413 --> 00:35:34.513
[JOHN]: I do like the fact that when they arrive as well, you have Kirsh going, Oh great, you're here now.

00:35:34.513 --> 00:35:41.353
[JOHN]: It would have been even better if you had arrived 10 minutes ago, so that I didn't have a broken back effectively.

00:35:41.353 --> 00:35:44.013
[JOHN]: And he kind of gives him some, I don't know what they were.

00:35:44.013 --> 00:35:49.993
[JOHN]: They look like beads, a necklace or something a bit different.

00:35:49.993 --> 00:35:53.473
[JOHN]: And he says, use them and tie up Morrow.

00:35:53.473 --> 00:35:54.493
[DEREK]: Yeah, yeah.

00:35:54.493 --> 00:35:55.993
[DEREK]: I think they were his innards.

00:35:56.033 --> 00:35:56.593
[DEREK]: I don't know.

00:35:56.773 --> 00:35:57.653
[DEREK]: Maybe around Bush.

00:35:57.653 --> 00:35:58.453
[JOHN]: Well, I hope not.

00:35:58.453 --> 00:36:03.173
[JOHN]: But anyway, Smee just turns him over and starts tying him up.

00:36:03.173 --> 00:36:08.033
[JOHN]: But the look on his face is just really, really good.

00:36:08.033 --> 00:36:09.833
[JOHN]: I must say Kirsh is excellent.

00:36:09.833 --> 00:36:20.113
[JOHN]: And again, I'm really pleased that at the end, despite him being incapacitated, really, he is still functional in the cell.

00:36:21.053 --> 00:36:46.453
[JOHN]: It's possibly an interesting thing to note here that Marcy, the other hybrids, aren't distinguishing between human adults and synthetics that are also effectively, that come across as adults or cyborgs even with Morrow.

00:36:48.613 --> 00:36:50.153
[JOHN]: So it's kind of interesting.

00:36:50.153 --> 00:37:01.753
[JOHN]: I do also then like that Slightly gets the chance to tie up Morrow and effectively knocks him out with one of the sample containers.

00:37:01.753 --> 00:37:01.993
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:37:02.273 --> 00:37:06.513
[DEREK]: Interestingly, Morrow's, the last thing he says to him was, I didn't hurt your mother.

00:37:06.513 --> 00:37:12.953
[DEREK]: I was wondering about that whether he killed all of Slightly's family before embarking on this journey so he didn't have to come back.

00:37:12.953 --> 00:37:15.433
[DEREK]: But Mara's saying he didn't kill their family.

00:37:15.973 --> 00:37:17.913
[DEREK]: I do wonder about Morrow's motivations.

00:37:17.913 --> 00:37:22.073
[DEREK]: He has seemed pretty evil in what he did to Slightly over the course of the season.

00:37:22.073 --> 00:37:25.733
[DEREK]: But we do also know that he had a child who died while he was away.

00:37:25.733 --> 00:37:27.993
[DEREK]: That was the light of his life effectively.

00:37:27.993 --> 00:37:32.773
[DEREK]: So did he just put all that aside and believe he could manipulate Slightly?

00:37:32.773 --> 00:37:34.073
[DEREK]: Or is he a murderer?

00:37:34.073 --> 00:37:35.993
[DEREK]: I suppose kind of the question that was going through my head.

00:37:35.993 --> 00:37:37.513
[JOHN]: I think he is a murderer.

00:37:37.513 --> 00:37:43.973
[DEREK]: But when Mara says this to Slightly that he hasn't killed her mother, I tend to believe him that he didn't.

00:37:44.173 --> 00:37:56.493
[JOHN]: Yeah, I would believe him as well, but ultimately as well, whilst he may not have done it, the threat of doing it has caused Slightly to be like in debt.

00:37:56.493 --> 00:38:03.353
[JOHN]: So, you know, hence why Slightly is more than happy to knock him out again.

00:38:03.353 --> 00:38:07.133
[JOHN]: And actually, I mean, Morrow's face has had a bit of a battering.

00:38:07.133 --> 00:38:10.233
[JOHN]: I mean, he has really beaten up there in the cell as well.

00:38:10.473 --> 00:38:14.533
[JOHN]: But, to be honest, he got his comeuppance as well.

00:38:14.533 --> 00:38:22.753
[JOHN]: Again, he's in the cell at the end as a cyborg, and Kirsh is in there as a synth.

00:38:22.753 --> 00:38:26.653
[JOHN]: So, it's interesting that they are in there, actually.

00:38:26.653 --> 00:38:30.213
[JOHN]: More so Kirsh, I think, because he's not human.

00:38:30.213 --> 00:38:31.933
[JOHN]: He's not an adult.

00:38:31.933 --> 00:38:41.733
[JOHN]: You would argue that whilst he may have also manipulated and used them, he was also saying to them, you are something different.

00:38:41.733 --> 00:38:43.393
[JOHN]: Like he was getting a very different tone.

00:38:43.393 --> 00:38:53.173
[JOHN]: I mean, at least how I took it at the start, I think as it's gone on, and like you see now, he was manipulating it for his own reasons.

00:38:53.173 --> 00:39:02.793
[DEREK]: Yeah, and it's no coincidence who Marcy sends out to collect the rest of the grownups to bring them back in.

00:39:02.793 --> 00:39:06.193
[DEREK]: I think they're called grownups, as in, we're still the Lost Boys.

00:39:06.253 --> 00:39:10.353
[DEREK]: They're the grownups and we're going to all be dragged back and put in here.

00:39:10.353 --> 00:39:21.093
[DEREK]: The reason why Smee and SlightlyErana are sent out to get Morrow and Kirsh back is because Kirsh was involved in their escape attempt, effectively.

00:39:21.093 --> 00:39:22.273
[DEREK]: He didn't help them, though.

00:39:22.273 --> 00:39:25.213
[DEREK]: He allowed them to escape and go and pick up Morrow.

00:39:25.213 --> 00:39:27.313
[DEREK]: He used them to get Morrow.

00:39:27.313 --> 00:39:30.413
[DEREK]: And that's why they bring Morrow back with extreme prejudice.

00:39:30.413 --> 00:39:36.953
[DEREK]: But the other one I really like is it's Nibs that sent out to bring back Dame Sylvia.

00:39:36.953 --> 00:39:51.553
[DEREK]: But not only that, she gets an extra bit of judgment from the group of hybrids because while she's locked up in a room and has been brought back by the military officers, brought her back to her own office.

00:39:52.713 --> 00:39:56.713
[JOHN]: Yeah, well she comes face to face with the Xenomorph at the graves.

00:39:56.773 --> 00:39:57.193
[DEREK]: She does.

00:39:57.193 --> 00:40:02.753
[JOHN]: And it's Joe's team that bring her back and say, you've got to stay here for your own safety.

00:40:02.753 --> 00:40:14.473
[DEREK]: But while she's in there, left on her own with everything falling down around her, there's a bit of manipulation going on there from Marcy as she starts playing clips of each of the kids and what they said to her.

00:40:14.473 --> 00:40:19.253
[DEREK]: Landing on Marcy as a child going, we'll be okay, won't we?

00:40:19.253 --> 00:40:19.893
[DEREK]: Won't we?

00:40:19.893 --> 00:40:24.133
[DEREK]: Over and over again, starting to drive Dame Sylvia.

00:40:25.753 --> 00:40:30.493
[DEREK]: Again, the psychologist for these kids, she's starting to drive her insane as she's smashing all of the screens.

00:40:30.493 --> 00:40:31.853
[DEREK]: So she doesn't have to fear the kid.

00:40:31.853 --> 00:40:32.253
[DEREK]: It's great.

00:40:32.253 --> 00:40:32.913
[JOHN]: It was really good.

00:40:33.033 --> 00:40:37.073
[JOHN]: I mean, it's almost like a Frankenstein moment actually with Dr.

00:40:37.073 --> 00:40:43.513
[JOHN]: Frankenstein going crazy with what he's created and being pursued by his monster.

00:40:43.573 --> 00:40:52.053
[JOHN]: Certainly because it was like the rain lashing against the window and the kind of semi darkness of her room.

00:40:53.873 --> 00:41:00.793
[JOHN]: I love that she's looking out at the rain and you just see the silhouette of Nibs coming in.

00:41:00.793 --> 00:41:08.913
[JOHN]: That to me was really, really frightening given what happened between the two of them in that room previously.

00:41:09.033 --> 00:41:13.393
[JOHN]: So yeah, it was just really, really, really well done, I thought.

00:41:13.393 --> 00:41:14.173
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

00:41:14.173 --> 00:41:14.493
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

00:41:14.493 --> 00:41:18.113
[DEREK]: And then Nibs is the one that drags her off, I guess afterwards.

00:41:18.113 --> 00:41:19.113
[DEREK]: Yeah, really good.

00:41:19.113 --> 00:41:28.293
[DEREK]: We mentioned there about Joe's former team of military people who are now stationed on the island.

00:41:28.293 --> 00:41:46.533
[DEREK]: Let's talk about them and I guess the final of the Space Monsters that we haven't seen attack because they are looking through the facility, trying to lock down the facility and they're trying to get to bigger and bigger weapons to lock down.

00:41:46.573 --> 00:41:48.773
[JOHN]: Yeah, we're going to need a bigger boat.

00:41:48.773 --> 00:41:54.253
[DEREK]: Absolutely, to stop the Xenomorph, really, because they've seen the Xenomorph trying to attack Dame Sylvia.

00:41:54.253 --> 00:42:00.653
[DEREK]: So they work their way all the way back through and end off going back through our favorite location, the labs.

00:42:00.653 --> 00:42:08.153
[JOHN]: Well, it's also not only did they see the Xenomorph go after Dame Sylvia and they interrupted it.

00:42:08.193 --> 00:42:24.433
[JOHN]: But the really interesting little bit of a montage, where it effectively shows Wendy having communicated to it through the comms, whereby it's just taking out all the prodigy patrols that are happening.

00:42:24.433 --> 00:42:31.053
[JOHN]: So there's just the bridge dripping with blood, or like a clearing drip filled with bodies.

00:42:33.053 --> 00:42:40.213
[JOHN]: Joe's former team are still surviving, but they're becoming more on edge as they get through.

00:42:40.553 --> 00:42:45.893
[JOHN]: They have a real edgy moment with a lift about, what did you call it?

00:42:45.893 --> 00:42:48.073
[JOHN]: And it's like, well, let's get in.

00:42:49.093 --> 00:42:54.973
[JOHN]: Then it stops because Wendy's stopped it, and then it's going to self-destruct.

00:42:55.033 --> 00:43:02.613
[JOHN]: And again, it's this lovely combination of so many different horror metaphors, like The Haunted House, Dr.

00:43:02.613 --> 00:43:06.073
[JOHN]: Frankenstein, Alien, you name it.

00:43:06.073 --> 00:43:07.533
[JOHN]: It's just really, really good.

00:43:07.533 --> 00:43:18.513
[DEREK]: And does it even make Smee quite creepy in that moment when the countdown's going on and it cuts back to Smee, who's in his childlike voice, is doing the countdown at exactly the same time as the countdown to their death, potentially.

00:43:18.513 --> 00:43:19.353
[DEREK]: Like they do stop it.

00:43:19.533 --> 00:43:39.193
[JOHN]: I mean, in that sense, Smee has a bit of the Midwitch Cuckoo Children kind of thing about, with the exception of being blond-haired and golden-eyed, it's like there's almost that kind of element of destruction, chaos, murder, mayhem, whatever it is happening around.

00:43:39.213 --> 00:43:46.793
[JOHN]: Then it's all very childlike, going, seven, six, five.

00:43:46.793 --> 00:43:47.393
[JOHN]: Do you know what I mean?

00:43:47.393 --> 00:43:49.033
[JOHN]: All this kind of stuff.

00:43:50.793 --> 00:43:53.613
[JOHN]: Yeah, so that works really well as well.

00:43:53.613 --> 00:44:00.613
[JOHN]: But yes, they are back in the lab, and we do get to see the final alien that we have seen.

00:44:00.693 --> 00:44:11.613
[JOHN]: Actually, since the crashed ship, I guess up till now, the only way you could describe it is a ceiling pod.

00:44:11.613 --> 00:44:18.293
[JOHN]: I think Kirsh described it as, well, it mimics as Flora, but I think it might be Fauna.

00:44:18.293 --> 00:44:28.253
[JOHN]: I like to call it, even though it does move and it's not as stationary as the creature from the video game Half-Life and Half-Life 2.

00:44:29.013 --> 00:44:34.513
[JOHN]: So they are called barnacles and they throughout the game, you could be walking along.

00:44:34.513 --> 00:44:39.853
[JOHN]: And if you don't look up and shoot them and kill them, all of a sudden you're being dragged up into the air.

00:44:39.853 --> 00:44:42.493
[JOHN]: Just like happened to Siberian here.

00:44:42.493 --> 00:44:51.233
[JOHN]: So I'm absolutely delighted in that whilst this creature, the pod is way more mobile than the Half-Life creature.

00:44:51.233 --> 00:44:57.253
[JOHN]: I'm hoping that the genesis of it or the inspiration for it is coming from the barnacle in Half-Life.

00:44:57.873 --> 00:45:01.553
[JOHN]: It's just giving a bit more of an edge in that it's a bit more mobile.

00:45:01.553 --> 00:45:05.093
[JOHN]: Because it does, it's quite big and they were like going, what's that?

00:45:05.093 --> 00:45:05.453
[JOHN]: What's that?

00:45:05.513 --> 00:45:08.113
[JOHN]: It also blends quite nicely in with the wall.

00:45:08.113 --> 00:45:09.013
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

00:45:09.013 --> 00:45:11.613
[JOHN]: But I did like that.

00:45:11.913 --> 00:45:15.433
[JOHN]: I'm as pleased as punch seeing the barnacles first kill.

00:45:15.433 --> 00:45:17.513
[JOHN]: So I'm just going to call it a barnacle.

00:45:17.513 --> 00:45:25.453
[DEREK]: I think the way we've seen this multiple times throughout the season is that it reaches out with its little tentacles coming out of the pod itself.

00:45:26.073 --> 00:45:33.093
[DEREK]: And now, when you think back to all the people who've interacted with it, Tootles was the first to interact along with Kirsh.

00:45:33.093 --> 00:45:40.573
[DEREK]: And then we had Tootles again, when it was up against the glass, it was kind of interacting with it.

00:45:40.573 --> 00:45:43.673
[DEREK]: But Siberian's the first human that we know has interacted with it.

00:45:43.673 --> 00:45:45.453
[DEREK]: So we've been close enough to it.

00:45:45.453 --> 00:45:49.673
[DEREK]: And the instant reaction is, drag it inside and squish it and kill it.

00:45:49.673 --> 00:45:52.633
[DEREK]: Like you see, you hear her screaming and you hear her being crushed.

00:45:52.633 --> 00:45:55.393
[DEREK]: And you think, oh, maybe she'll be able to get out of there.

00:45:55.393 --> 00:45:59.633
[DEREK]: Her other partner Rashidi, who's been at her side the whole time, is shooting it with his gun.

00:45:59.633 --> 00:46:03.273
[DEREK]: And then suddenly Siberian stops moving and you know she's dead.

00:46:03.273 --> 00:46:07.913
[DEREK]: It's very quick death after a slow moment of dragging her up.

00:46:07.913 --> 00:46:12.993
[DEREK]: She is standing on it either for a second or two longer than she probably should have.

00:46:12.993 --> 00:46:18.933
[DEREK]: But I don't think it's a situation where she could run very far because of those tentacles, I'd say we would have seen it reach out and grab her and drag her in.

00:46:19.093 --> 00:46:20.033
[JOHN]: Oh, absolutely.

00:46:20.033 --> 00:46:21.173
[JOHN]: It was awesome.

00:46:21.393 --> 00:46:22.493
[JOHN]: I love that kind of thing.

00:46:22.493 --> 00:46:30.913
[JOHN]: I mean, even if it's not fauna and it is a flora, it's almost like a fly catcher or something like that.

00:46:30.913 --> 00:46:34.913
[DEREK]: Yes, or the very obvious little shop of hers, Audrey Two.

00:46:34.913 --> 00:46:38.673
[DEREK]: You know, feed me Kirshie.

00:46:39.993 --> 00:46:42.653
[JOHN]: Feed me Siberian.

00:46:42.953 --> 00:46:44.373
[JOHN]: Feed me now.

00:46:44.373 --> 00:46:44.913
[DEREK]: Could be it.

00:46:44.913 --> 00:46:54.093
[DEREK]: So, yes, it was great to see that we have the fifth of the five aliens coming to life and taking out somebody.

00:46:54.093 --> 00:46:56.113
[DEREK]: So, yeah, we'll probably see more of that.

00:46:56.113 --> 00:47:01.893
[JOHN]: Yeah, I think we should get on to one of our favourite little sort of eyebally aliens.

00:47:01.893 --> 00:47:03.033
[DEREK]: We absolutely should.

00:47:03.033 --> 00:47:03.513
[JOHN]: Because...

00:47:03.513 --> 00:47:04.793
[DEREK]: He's been the star of the series.

00:47:05.193 --> 00:47:16.573
[JOHN]: We do have T Ocellus sort of really being hinted at or sort of built up to suddenly burrow itself into Boy Kavalier.

00:47:16.573 --> 00:47:19.573
[JOHN]: And that doesn't happen here.

00:47:19.573 --> 00:47:22.493
[JOHN]: I mean, there is an instance where Boy Kavalier is looking at it.

00:47:22.493 --> 00:47:26.893
[JOHN]: I'm like going, is he going to sacrifice himself here?

00:47:26.893 --> 00:47:30.693
[JOHN]: Is this kind of like a bit of a...

00:47:30.693 --> 00:47:33.493
[JOHN]: A ball mance or something here going on?

00:47:34.173 --> 00:47:35.573
[JOHN]: There's bro ball mance.

00:47:35.573 --> 00:47:43.433
[DEREK]: Like, it's funny, we had this discussion early around the season that I was wondering whether Boy Kavalier would put it into himself.

00:47:43.433 --> 00:47:46.653
[DEREK]: And he's just so...

00:47:46.653 --> 00:47:47.693
[DEREK]: He needs it to happen.

00:47:47.693 --> 00:47:50.473
[DEREK]: He needs to have it inside a human so he can talk to it.

00:47:50.473 --> 00:47:54.713
[DEREK]: Like the security guard that's with him in the room, he's like, how do you feel about your eyes?

00:47:54.733 --> 00:47:57.053
[DEREK]: The security guard goes, what was that sir?

00:47:57.113 --> 00:47:59.633
[DEREK]: He's like, go find Atom Eins.

00:47:59.633 --> 00:48:01.113
[DEREK]: I don't know, I thought that was really good.

00:48:01.113 --> 00:48:02.493
[DEREK]: He doesn't pronounce it in the same way.

00:48:02.493 --> 00:48:09.953
[DEREK]: I think it was intended as a joke that the guy thinks he heard Atom Eins or thinks he heard eyes, but he doesn't pronounce it that way.

00:48:10.173 --> 00:48:11.133
[DEREK]: It's just a very funny moment.

00:48:11.133 --> 00:48:17.413
[DEREK]: But he's staring at this, at the T Ocellus in the sheep going, Oh, how I wish you could talk.

00:48:17.413 --> 00:48:21.753
[DEREK]: And as you say, it does feel like he's kind of going, well, they're just stuff it in my head and maybe we can talk.

00:48:21.873 --> 00:48:24.173
[DEREK]: Maybe we can have that conversation, you know?

00:48:24.173 --> 00:48:25.333
[DEREK]: He finds another way around it.

00:48:25.333 --> 00:48:27.613
[JOHN]: It is kind of, but I do like this.

00:48:27.613 --> 00:48:30.893
[JOHN]: It's kind of like falling in love here.

00:48:30.893 --> 00:48:33.813
[JOHN]: But you have Atom Eins waiting for Joe.

00:48:33.813 --> 00:48:35.573
[JOHN]: Joe's looking to see who he can save.

00:48:35.573 --> 00:48:46.633
[JOHN]: And in the end, Atom Eins says that Boy Kavalier has got a proposition for him, you know, that would involve him and Wendy living happily ever after.

00:48:48.273 --> 00:48:49.613
[JOHN]: Of course, it's all nonsense.

00:48:49.613 --> 00:49:03.573
[JOHN]: It's all just a ruse in order for him to sort of take Joe to Boy Kavalier's room, where he's already released the sheep and he closes the door behind him.

00:49:03.573 --> 00:49:04.953
[JOHN]: And there is the sheep.

00:49:04.953 --> 00:49:09.733
[JOHN]: And you just see the little tiny tip of the tentacles starting to come out.

00:49:09.753 --> 00:49:12.333
[JOHN]: And Joe is like, Darren, what?

00:49:12.333 --> 00:49:20.433
[JOHN]: And in fairness to him, runs, I would have done the same thing, runs towards the actual pen that the sheep had been in.

00:49:20.433 --> 00:49:23.093
[DEREK]: I thought that was absolutely brilliant.

00:49:23.093 --> 00:49:23.893
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:49:23.893 --> 00:49:26.573
[DEREK]: I'm like, well, I can't get out of there, so can I get in?

00:49:26.573 --> 00:49:27.513
[DEREK]: What a great choice.

00:49:27.513 --> 00:49:37.133
[DEREK]: And so quick thinking of Joe to jump directly in there, I was going, OK, even if he locks himself inside and if the T Ocellus can't get into him, he's safe until Wendy comes and saves him, right?

00:49:37.133 --> 00:49:37.953
[JOHN]: Yeah, exactly.

00:49:38.033 --> 00:49:44.473
[DEREK]: If T Ocellus hadn't been so intelligent to realize, I could just go in the feeding tube that they've been feeding me through.

00:49:44.473 --> 00:49:52.313
[DEREK]: And that's how he gets into the cage with Joe, is that by going in through that feeding tube or where the hay was left for the sheep, effectively.

00:49:52.313 --> 00:49:54.673
[JOHN]: So it's worse than that.

00:49:54.673 --> 00:50:03.573
[JOHN]: So it's actually that because it's a transportable one, it's not it's not the one he was being held in in the lab.

00:50:03.573 --> 00:50:04.913
[JOHN]: So it is slightly different.

00:50:05.673 --> 00:50:10.913
[JOHN]: It's almost like one of those bins that you open it up, put the the rubbish in and then close it up again.

00:50:10.913 --> 00:50:15.453
[JOHN]: So actually, as long as you can open it up and then there's nothing on the other side.

00:50:15.453 --> 00:50:16.633
[JOHN]: So he's able to get in.

00:50:16.633 --> 00:50:18.993
[JOHN]: Luckily, Joe manages to get out.

00:50:18.993 --> 00:50:34.913
[JOHN]: But again, you just have that lovely, you know, a real just chaosic-ness of the T Ocellus with all its tentacles going after Joe and like picking on its cheek like you saw with Nibs and what ultimately gave her the eeby-jeebies.

00:50:34.913 --> 00:50:38.433
[JOHN]: And I just thought it was really, really good.

00:50:38.433 --> 00:50:48.953
[JOHN]: And I also then realized just how tough this little Chris is because you're kind of going, you know, oh, human eyeball squishy.

00:50:48.953 --> 00:50:50.113
[JOHN]: Yes.

00:50:50.113 --> 00:50:56.613
[JOHN]: And maybe given that it's an eyeball outside of any containment, then it's maybe a little bit different.

00:50:56.793 --> 00:51:12.373
[JOHN]: Whilst it looks like an eyeball, it's probably not a squishy because it also gets battered around quite a bit by Wendy as she comes in to, you know, prevent it from burrowing into the optic nerve of Joe.

00:51:12.373 --> 00:51:15.053
[JOHN]: So that was the other thing.

00:51:15.053 --> 00:51:18.393
[JOHN]: I mean, I was almost getting a little protective over it.

00:51:18.393 --> 00:51:20.333
[JOHN]: I was like, no, don't kill it, Wendy.

00:51:20.333 --> 00:51:21.253
[DEREK]: Don't stand on it.

00:51:21.253 --> 00:51:22.493
[JOHN]: Don't stand on it.

00:51:22.493 --> 00:51:30.833
[JOHN]: And like when she flicked it across the room and it kind of hit, I was like, oh no, I'm just going to like splat like a fly hitting a windshield.

00:51:30.833 --> 00:51:35.633
[DEREK]: You know, it's more jelly like it just rolls down to the floor and then gets back on with the job to go after Joe.

00:51:35.633 --> 00:51:36.153
[DEREK]: I love this.

00:51:36.153 --> 00:51:43.373
[DEREK]: It was so exciting because what happens afterwards is Atom Eins takes off his jacket and goes to fight against Wendy.

00:51:43.373 --> 00:51:45.713
[DEREK]: He's about to go into battle against her.

00:51:45.713 --> 00:51:55.413
[DEREK]: And all the while, Wendy has to contend with Atom Eins and also the eyeball going for her brother Joe, who's knocked out to the ground.

00:51:55.413 --> 00:51:57.013
[DEREK]: So I love the...

00:51:57.013 --> 00:52:02.013
[DEREK]: She has to not only keep an eye on the eyeball, she has to keep an eye on Atom Eins as well.

00:52:02.013 --> 00:52:03.273
[DEREK]: So that's really good.

00:52:03.273 --> 00:52:08.313
[JOHN]: It's like she has to push Atom Eins and then she had to bat T Ocellus away.

00:52:08.513 --> 00:52:24.713
[JOHN]: I think T Ocellus then realises, certainly like he sees Wendy do her Jedi mind trick effectively on Atom Eins, where she can effectively freeze him because he's a really early version of a synth.

00:52:24.713 --> 00:52:26.153
[DEREK]: Just another bit of technology.

00:52:26.153 --> 00:52:27.293
[JOHN]: Exactly.

00:52:27.293 --> 00:52:32.873
[JOHN]: And you see T Ocellus watch that.

00:52:33.013 --> 00:52:39.353
[JOHN]: I like the fact that it's almost like he jumped down into a little hole to escape.

00:52:39.353 --> 00:52:40.133
[DEREK]: Jumped into the drain.

00:52:40.133 --> 00:52:40.733
[DEREK]: Off he went.

00:52:40.733 --> 00:52:42.313
[JOHN]: Off he went.

00:52:42.313 --> 00:52:48.993
[JOHN]: But it felt like it wasn't cartoony, but it felt really cool.

00:52:48.993 --> 00:52:49.553
[JOHN]: I liked it.

00:52:50.293 --> 00:52:50.733
[DEREK]: I know.

00:52:50.733 --> 00:53:04.713
[DEREK]: I have to say a little shout out to Aide Edmondson in his frozen moment when he just does the eye movement to know that he can still move his eyes and he doesn't understand why his body won't move and follow him into the attack against Wendy.

00:53:04.713 --> 00:53:05.833
[DEREK]: I really like that.

00:53:05.833 --> 00:53:11.213
[DEREK]: We see that twice after it's that he's just frozen in that moment, but can still move the eyes.

00:53:11.213 --> 00:53:25.533
[JOHN]: But one of the things as well that's kind of interesting then is that the old T Oculus finds its way onto the beach, through the drains and comes out and has Arthur.

00:53:25.533 --> 00:53:30.813
[JOHN]: Arthur Sylvia is there ready for him, and he plunks himself into Arthur.

00:53:30.813 --> 00:53:33.853
[JOHN]: I love the fact that very zombie-like.

00:53:33.853 --> 00:53:34.313
[JOHN]: Absolutely.

00:53:34.313 --> 00:53:38.813
[JOHN]: Arthur just hinges up from the waist.

00:53:38.813 --> 00:53:40.873
[JOHN]: Although that was really, really good.

00:53:40.873 --> 00:53:43.653
[DEREK]: I was trying to think what that was that was very similar to this.

00:53:44.093 --> 00:53:54.653
[DEREK]: The thing that attaches itself to the bodies and turns them into zombies is the Hypnotode in Futurama that has the little creatures that attach to people's brains and turn them into zombies.

00:53:54.653 --> 00:54:04.653
[DEREK]: So next season, if it gets a second season in Alien Earth, we now have zombies to add to the mix with Arthur back alive again.

00:54:04.653 --> 00:54:06.833
[JOHN]: So we had zombie sheep in this season.

00:54:07.093 --> 00:54:16.073
[DEREK]: Yeah, but now we have zombie humans and there's definitely been hints that T Ocellus will be able to speak through a human if it's attached to one.

00:54:16.073 --> 00:54:22.173
[DEREK]: So I think we're going to bring back Arthur and we're going to have him speaking for the T Ocellus.

00:54:22.213 --> 00:54:22.693
[DEREK]: What a cool idea.

00:54:22.693 --> 00:54:23.753
[JOHN]: It'll be really interesting.

00:54:23.753 --> 00:54:41.853
[JOHN]: And this is where this is my theory around the people queuing up to have a pot shot at Boy Kavalier is because not only is this T Ocellus, but it's also Arthur who was treated pretty bad as well.

00:54:41.853 --> 00:55:07.573
[JOHN]: And so I can just see, get the sense that T Ocellus will use Arthur's body and arms to hold Boy Kavalier by the neck or hold the arms down and hold him like as he just kind of like, you know, you just see the ice squit out of Arthur's socket as he then goes into Boy Kavalier.

00:55:07.573 --> 00:55:08.593
[DEREK]: I love it, John.

00:55:08.593 --> 00:55:09.133
[DEREK]: I love it.

00:55:09.133 --> 00:55:12.173
[DEREK]: Yes, that would be, that would be pretty much just deserts right there.

00:55:12.173 --> 00:55:15.573
[JOHN]: Wendy, I'm sure, and Marcy is at the front of the queue.

00:55:15.573 --> 00:55:16.633
[JOHN]: You could have Curly.

00:55:16.633 --> 00:55:19.173
[JOHN]: You know, there's so many people there.

00:55:19.173 --> 00:55:27.133
[JOHN]: Even Morrow wants to kill him, you know, for very different reasons because Arthur, you know, I think was one of the best of them.

00:55:27.133 --> 00:55:27.733
[DEREK]: Yes, absolutely.

00:55:27.733 --> 00:55:32.853
[JOHN]: I mean, ultimately, he's stood by his principles and in the end, he's been given a second chance.

00:55:32.853 --> 00:55:39.173
[JOHN]: Actually, I mean, I kind of yelled, yay, Arthur's alive, he's back alive, you know.

00:55:39.993 --> 00:55:42.133
[DEREK]: It sounds a little bit like you're Dr.

00:55:42.133 --> 00:55:42.933
[DEREK]: Frankenstein.

00:55:42.933 --> 00:55:43.433
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:55:43.433 --> 00:55:44.573
[JOHN]: But I mean, I'm just there.

00:55:44.573 --> 00:55:52.573
[JOHN]: I can see something whereby Dame Sylvia's kind of, they managed to escape or something.

00:55:52.573 --> 00:55:57.433
[JOHN]: She just sees the silhouette of her husband from behind, you know, and then that's it.

00:55:57.433 --> 00:55:58.633
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

00:55:58.633 --> 00:56:00.173
[JOHN]: It's in Dame Sylvia.

00:56:00.173 --> 00:56:19.913
[JOHN]: And I mean, he's in a very, you know, given that T Ocellus has gotten the optic nerve of Arthur, depending on how much information it's able to extract from a dead body, then this is quite an encyclopedia Britannica that it's sort of burrowed into here.

00:56:19.953 --> 00:56:23.773
[JOHN]: It's not a sheep and so on.

00:56:23.773 --> 00:56:30.953
[JOHN]: This is someone who effectively was able to resurrect the human consciousness along with his life.

00:56:30.953 --> 00:56:37.633
[DEREK]: Yes, we'd certainly have to see how that plays out in season two, because obviously he was lying on that beach for quite a while.

00:56:37.633 --> 00:56:40.993
[DEREK]: So brain death 100 percent happened to Arthur.

00:56:40.993 --> 00:56:41.713
[DEREK]: Oh, yeah.

00:56:41.713 --> 00:56:46.853
[DEREK]: But if T Ocellus can go in and retrieve memories and retrieve stuff from inside his brain, you never know.

00:56:46.853 --> 00:56:51.153
[DEREK]: But I do want to mention that Arthur had another great moment in the episode, sort of.

00:56:51.673 --> 00:57:08.213
[DEREK]: I loved that the opening of the episode was a crab in the ocean climbing up, and then we see the crab in the crevice on Arthur's body, the one left behind from the chest burster, as the Xenomorph comes up and the defensive crab stands up to the Xenomorph, and then the Xenomorph walks away.

00:57:08.213 --> 00:57:14.213
[DEREK]: Now, obviously the Xenomorph walked away because Arthur is dead, but it did look a little bit like crabs not on the menu today.

00:57:15.593 --> 00:57:20.093
[JOHN]: Also, it looked and went, ooh, a Yoda moment, there is another.

00:57:20.093 --> 00:57:21.153
[JOHN]: Oh yes, there's another.

00:57:21.153 --> 00:57:25.813
[JOHN]: You know, because he sees the damage from the chest burster.

00:57:25.813 --> 00:57:28.013
[JOHN]: But yeah, I like that moment as well.

00:57:28.013 --> 00:57:36.713
[JOHN]: I was, again, I like animals, I was like feeling a little fearful for the old crab here.

00:57:37.873 --> 00:57:42.253
[DEREK]: Can you imagine if the Xenomorph got to taste a crab and went, that's really way tastier than human.

00:57:42.273 --> 00:57:43.353
[JOHN]: Yeah, I know.

00:57:43.353 --> 00:57:44.213
[JOHN]: I'm going to have to crab for now.

00:57:44.273 --> 00:57:45.053
[DEREK]: It was so sweet.

00:57:45.053 --> 00:57:46.413
[DEREK]: Yeah, I'm going to have to crab for now.

00:57:46.413 --> 00:57:48.253
[JOHN]: Definitely the claws.

00:57:48.253 --> 00:57:50.993
[DEREK]: Watch out Baltimore and your crab festival.

00:57:50.993 --> 00:57:53.593
[JOHN]: Exactly, taken over by the Xenomorph.

00:57:53.593 --> 00:57:54.413
[DEREK]: Excellent.

00:57:54.413 --> 00:57:58.013
[DEREK]: Anything else about the T Ocellus before we move on to our final point, John?

00:57:58.153 --> 00:58:12.913
[JOHN]: I think given it's the last episode, just to say, you know, hats off, I think just bringing another, you know, group of alien creatures in with the Xenomorph.

00:58:12.913 --> 00:58:13.333
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:58:13.333 --> 00:58:26.473
[JOHN]: It's very, you know, I think things like the ticks, even the pod or the barnacle, you know, seen that a lot before and the fly even.

00:58:26.473 --> 00:58:27.793
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:58:27.793 --> 00:58:36.613
[JOHN]: But I think to bring in something like T Ocellus, like conceptually to think that up really good.

00:58:37.273 --> 00:58:37.933
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

00:58:37.933 --> 00:58:38.733
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

00:58:38.733 --> 00:58:42.333
[DEREK]: And it's the reason why the show is called Alien Earth and not Xenomorph Earth, right?

00:58:42.793 --> 00:58:45.213
[DEREK]: That they were able to bring in loads of different aliens.

00:58:45.213 --> 00:58:47.393
[DEREK]: And now we fall in love with the T Ocellus.

00:58:48.153 --> 00:58:50.273
[DEREK]: And he's going body to body.

00:58:50.273 --> 00:58:51.793
[JOHN]: I do like the barnacle as well.

00:58:51.793 --> 00:58:52.413
[DEREK]: The barnacle's cool.

00:58:52.413 --> 00:58:54.153
[JOHN]: That's a half life thing for me.

00:58:54.153 --> 00:58:54.353
[JOHN]: Yeah.

00:58:54.353 --> 00:58:57.473
[DEREK]: I thought the flight, I thought each of them had their, were very cool.

00:58:57.473 --> 00:59:00.313
[DEREK]: But T Ocellus has definitely had a lot more of the limelight.

00:59:00.313 --> 00:59:00.793
[DEREK]: Yes.

00:59:00.793 --> 00:59:01.533
[DEREK]: And rightly so.

00:59:01.533 --> 00:59:02.193
[DEREK]: He's been really good.

00:59:02.193 --> 00:59:02.613
[JOHN]: Definitely.

00:59:02.613 --> 00:59:03.293
[DEREK]: She's been really good.

00:59:03.293 --> 00:59:03.553
[DEREK]: Sorry.

00:59:03.553 --> 00:59:05.133
[DEREK]: Did it confirm was a she?

00:59:05.173 --> 00:59:05.733
[JOHN]: Oh, okay.

00:59:05.733 --> 00:59:06.413
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:59:06.413 --> 00:59:08.733
[JOHN]: So there could be another one of those.

00:59:08.733 --> 00:59:13.213
[JOHN]: What's its reproduction?

00:59:13.213 --> 00:59:15.713
[DEREK]: Well, yeah, that's something for season two, I guess.

00:59:15.753 --> 00:59:16.513
[JOHN]: Absolutely.

00:59:16.513 --> 00:59:17.493
[DEREK]: Yeah.

00:59:17.493 --> 00:59:19.493
[DEREK]: Let's get on to our final point then.

00:59:19.493 --> 00:59:32.433
[DEREK]: Now we rule because the big switch up has happened, as we mentioned earlier on throughout the episode, each of the grown ups and then Verta Commas has all been put into the cell where the hybrids were kept at the beginning of the episode.

00:59:32.433 --> 00:59:43.593
[DEREK]: So now they're all inside and Wendy and the crew are standing outside talking to them about what they've learned from their adult carers basically.

00:59:43.593 --> 00:59:48.233
[DEREK]: So we have Kirsh with his broken back lying across the top bunk effectively.

00:59:48.233 --> 00:59:59.553
[DEREK]: We have a great moment with Dame Sylvia as she's looking out through the bars at Wendy going, Oh, please, my dear, I didn't mean to do anything.

00:59:59.553 --> 01:00:01.613
[DEREK]: Wendy instantly knows who this person is.

01:00:01.613 --> 01:00:04.113
[DEREK]: This is another manipulation from Dame Sylvia.

01:00:04.113 --> 01:00:10.493
[DEREK]: She had many opportunities to help the hybrids out and always chose Boy K or herself, as we talked about earlier on in the season.

01:00:10.493 --> 01:00:12.513
[DEREK]: So she shuts her down instantly.

01:00:12.513 --> 01:00:15.933
[DEREK]: I know you're just trying to wriggle your way out of here, but you're not getting out.

01:00:15.933 --> 01:00:27.253
[DEREK]: And then we see obviously Morrow's in there as well, and Boy K tied up with his arms outstretched as if he's Peter Pan going to fly, I think is the indication there.

01:00:27.253 --> 01:00:28.373
[DEREK]: He's wearing a green top as well.

01:00:29.053 --> 01:00:31.933
[DEREK]: So he's tied up.

01:00:31.933 --> 01:00:40.433
[DEREK]: And she gives him what for, tells him, you're not the stunted boy that you're telling everybody that you are, a child that will not grow up.

01:00:40.433 --> 01:00:41.913
[DEREK]: You're exactly like your father.

01:00:41.913 --> 01:00:44.813
[DEREK]: You grew up into an adult and you hate humans.

01:00:44.893 --> 01:00:46.973
[DEREK]: You hate everybody else around you.

01:00:46.973 --> 01:00:49.653
[DEREK]: And you show it in everything you do.

01:00:49.653 --> 01:00:50.253
[JOHN]: Yeah, yeah.

01:00:50.253 --> 01:00:55.033
[JOHN]: In fact, she's the scathingness of it is you've never been a kid.

01:00:56.293 --> 01:00:58.933
[JOHN]: You murdering someone at six.

01:00:58.933 --> 01:01:01.513
[JOHN]: You were an adult before your time.

01:01:01.513 --> 01:01:02.033
[DEREK]: Exactly.

01:01:02.033 --> 01:01:08.113
[JOHN]: Never got a chance to really live as being a kid.

01:01:08.113 --> 01:01:10.853
[JOHN]: And that's what shows here.

01:01:10.853 --> 01:01:13.793
[JOHN]: And then you're just like your father before you.

01:01:14.033 --> 01:01:17.953
[JOHN]: So it's yeah, it's just really scathing.

01:01:17.953 --> 01:01:21.553
[JOHN]: And it's a it's a great little angle, actually.

01:01:21.553 --> 01:01:23.113
[DEREK]: It is, isn't it?

01:01:23.113 --> 01:01:24.553
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:01:24.553 --> 01:01:26.153
[DEREK]: And we didn't mention how he was captured.

01:01:26.153 --> 01:01:35.533
[DEREK]: He was captured during the hide and seek by the Xenomorph finding him while Joe and Wendy arrive behind him.

01:01:35.573 --> 01:01:36.773
[DEREK]: The Xenomorph doesn't even kill him.

01:01:36.773 --> 01:01:42.373
[DEREK]: She just she's able to stop the Xenomorph from taking out Boy K.

01:01:42.373 --> 01:01:45.133
[DEREK]: And then it's Joe that kicks him in the face.

01:01:45.133 --> 01:01:46.953
[DEREK]: So Joe, Joe even gets a kick in.

01:01:46.953 --> 01:01:49.153
[JOHN]: He does, absolutely.

01:01:49.153 --> 01:01:50.253
[JOHN]: And so it's really good.

01:01:50.253 --> 01:02:14.533
[JOHN]: And, you know, basically, with all of them in in the prison, we do get this kind of faded in sequence where you see the face of the head of Yutani, but then her approaching sort of planes and military team that are approaching the island to take it back.

01:02:14.533 --> 01:02:24.413
[JOHN]: So that's quite interesting as well as to, you know, how that will shape or possibly in a season two.

01:02:24.413 --> 01:02:35.233
[JOHN]: Again, that's what I mean is, will it just be an immediate carry on with having to sort of fight off Yutani's forces here?

01:02:35.233 --> 01:02:49.433
[JOHN]: Because we do have that moment where Wendy, you know, with both of the Xenomorphs being close to her, turns to her other hybrids and says, now we rule.

01:02:49.433 --> 01:02:50.673
[DEREK]: Yes.

01:02:50.673 --> 01:02:59.073
[JOHN]: It might only be for a short time if those Yutani forces are maybe a little more capable than the Prodigy ones.

01:02:59.133 --> 01:02:59.453
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:02:59.453 --> 01:02:59.933
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:03:00.113 --> 01:03:02.213
[DEREK]: I don't think they will be.

01:03:02.213 --> 01:03:03.773
[DEREK]: And I don't think they're going to carpet bomb the place.

01:03:03.773 --> 01:03:05.593
[DEREK]: I think they want to get in there and get their specimens.

01:03:05.593 --> 01:03:06.373
[JOHN]: Oh, absolutely.

01:03:06.373 --> 01:03:09.033
[DEREK]: And they will want to take the hybrids back with them as well.

01:03:09.033 --> 01:03:15.593
[DEREK]: But the hybrids are pretty, pretty powerful and ready for a fight, I think, as well.

01:03:15.593 --> 01:03:16.273
[JOHN]: Yeah, I agree.

01:03:16.273 --> 01:03:29.933
[DEREK]: So, yeah, I was wondering whether it would just be, you know, Yutani arrives, everybody, all the, again, the grownups are all tied up inside here when she arrives, and she wonders where everything is.

01:03:29.933 --> 01:03:44.933
[DEREK]: And actually, the hybrids have gone and taken all the specimens with them, because there is that very clear distinction that Wendy makes earlier on in the season, saying that all of the, she feels empathy almost with all of the aliens, because they've been experimented on like her.

01:03:44.933 --> 01:03:51.153
[DEREK]: So it's possible that she's able, or if she is asked to take all of the specimens with her off islands.

01:03:51.973 --> 01:03:58.453
[DEREK]: So wherever they are, there goes the aliens, or she's left them behind to deal with Boy K and his people.

01:03:58.453 --> 01:03:59.653
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:04:00.253 --> 01:04:04.633
[DEREK]: Maybe, but I think she's definitely taken the Xenos with her to the next location.

01:04:04.633 --> 01:04:05.613
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:04:05.933 --> 01:04:11.093
[JOHN]: I think with the other aliens, like she has not formed a bond with them.

01:04:11.093 --> 01:04:11.993
[DEREK]: Yeah, true.

01:04:11.993 --> 01:04:15.573
[JOHN]: If she does take them, it's going to have to be in the sample jars.

01:04:15.713 --> 01:04:21.913
[JOHN]: And actually, then the T Ocellus is its own thing entirely.

01:04:21.913 --> 01:04:22.473
[DEREK]: It is.

01:04:22.473 --> 01:04:23.273
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:04:23.273 --> 01:04:24.033
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:04:24.033 --> 01:04:27.733
[DEREK]: Why do you think Boy K wasn't killed by the Xenomorph?

01:04:27.733 --> 01:04:29.633
[DEREK]: Do you think it's in that much control of Wendy?

01:04:29.633 --> 01:04:30.813
[DEREK]: Or was there any other reason?

01:04:30.813 --> 01:04:35.173
[DEREK]: Like, does he have some hybrid inside him?

01:04:35.173 --> 01:04:38.993
[DEREK]: Or is he a synth or anything like that?

01:04:38.993 --> 01:04:43.613
[DEREK]: Because we haven't seen a Xenomorph not attack a human before.

01:04:43.813 --> 01:04:45.653
[DEREK]: We've seen it being stopped, like with Dame Sylvia.

01:04:45.653 --> 01:04:48.993
[DEREK]: We've seen Joe getting out of it because somebody else saved him.

01:04:48.993 --> 01:04:52.593
[JOHN]: I think it did attack because that was the instruction from Wendy.

01:04:52.593 --> 01:04:57.753
[JOHN]: I mean, so there's been another instance where the Xenomorph has not killed a human.

01:04:57.753 --> 01:04:58.293
[JOHN]: Oh, yes.

01:04:58.293 --> 01:05:09.693
[JOHN]: And that is Joe, as him, Wendy and Nibs are trying to escape the island, they're surrounded by prodigy soldiers and the Xenomorph comes from the tree, the branches of a tree.

01:05:11.133 --> 01:05:19.773
[JOHN]: And because of Wendy, so clearly the bond with Wendy here, that is the determining factor.

01:05:19.773 --> 01:05:40.013
[JOHN]: Yes, and even just the fact that at the end, where you have both the Xenomorphs, where you have the little one almost kind of, it almost looks like two cats sort of purring together or something like that, or all the other hybrids are there.

01:05:40.013 --> 01:05:47.653
[JOHN]: And the alien and the aliens previously haven't really distinguished either between humans and synths.

01:05:47.653 --> 01:05:51.273
[JOHN]: So it's not just humans that they're not attacking.

01:05:51.333 --> 01:05:51.693
[DEREK]: Right.

01:05:51.693 --> 01:05:53.293
[JOHN]: It's Wendy herself.

01:05:53.293 --> 01:05:54.953
[JOHN]: Yeah, true.

01:05:54.953 --> 01:05:58.133
[JOHN]: And Smee and Slightly and Nibs and Curly.

01:05:58.133 --> 01:06:07.933
[JOHN]: So like all of those technically, you know, are much luckier than Ash, for example.

01:06:07.933 --> 01:06:08.333
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:06:08.333 --> 01:06:09.093
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:06:09.093 --> 01:06:13.033
[JOHN]: So I mean, that's but I think it's the it's the Wendy factor.

01:06:13.033 --> 01:06:13.553
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:06:13.553 --> 01:06:13.733
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:06:13.733 --> 01:06:14.393
[DEREK]: No, good point.

01:06:14.393 --> 01:06:15.413
[DEREK]: Good point.

01:06:15.413 --> 01:06:19.293
[DEREK]: Anything else about the final moment, the now we rule moment for this episode?

01:06:19.293 --> 01:06:20.053
[JOHN]: No, nothing from me.

01:06:20.633 --> 01:06:30.873
[JOHN]: I think, you know, interesting ending, actually, this notion of this power dynamic change and what that means for a season two of Alien Earth.

01:06:30.873 --> 01:06:31.513
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:06:31.513 --> 01:06:32.153
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:06:32.153 --> 01:06:45.493
[DEREK]: Because there's one other thing that I had in my notes that we haven't talked about, just one discussion that happens between Joe and Marcy, where they're kind of arguing over the fact that Marcy is so close to the Xenomorphs.

01:06:45.493 --> 01:06:46.673
[DEREK]: And Joe's going, they're going to kill us.

01:06:46.673 --> 01:06:47.453
[DEREK]: They're after humans.

01:06:47.453 --> 01:06:48.233
[DEREK]: They want to kill us all.

01:06:48.433 --> 01:06:53.253
[DEREK]: And Marcy's basically saying, well, they're not after me effectively.

01:06:53.253 --> 01:06:57.973
[DEREK]: And then he says, he's about to say, it's all it's complicated.

01:06:57.973 --> 01:07:00.513
[DEREK]: And she goes, no, no, don't say it's complicated.

01:07:00.513 --> 01:07:03.673
[DEREK]: Powerless people say that to make doing nothing okay.

01:07:03.673 --> 01:07:06.033
[DEREK]: And I am not powerless.

01:07:06.033 --> 01:07:10.293
[DEREK]: And I feel like that's the moment where she made that decision of, now we rule.

01:07:10.293 --> 01:07:15.673
[DEREK]: Now we're going to do something that nobody else is willing to do, is basically the implication of that.

01:07:16.173 --> 01:07:24.493
[DEREK]: It's about the hybrids who are willing to make changes, who are willing to stand up for the oppressed almost.

01:07:24.493 --> 01:07:27.813
[DEREK]: And the oppressed doesn't necessarily mean humans.

01:07:27.813 --> 01:07:38.033
[DEREK]: It means all of the things that are oppressed on this planet, including beings created by humans and aliens being experimented on by humans.

01:07:38.033 --> 01:07:40.133
[DEREK]: So it's not necessarily a good thing.

01:07:40.133 --> 01:07:43.993
[DEREK]: And I also like the positioning of Joe in that final scene.

01:07:44.933 --> 01:07:48.033
[DEREK]: He is right at the back of the pack of hybrids.

01:07:48.033 --> 01:07:48.933
[DEREK]: He's not in charge.

01:07:48.933 --> 01:07:49.633
[DEREK]: He's not a leader.

01:07:49.633 --> 01:07:52.373
[DEREK]: He's not side by side with his sister anymore.

01:07:52.373 --> 01:07:56.593
[DEREK]: He's in the back almost in the shadows as he's going to be leaving with them.

01:07:56.593 --> 01:08:00.913
[DEREK]: He's still part of their group, but he seems like he's on the outs completely.

01:08:00.913 --> 01:08:08.033
[DEREK]: Maybe he thinks if he stays with them, he can eventually talk Marcy into some sense or into her old self again, maybe somehow.

01:08:08.033 --> 01:08:12.773
[DEREK]: But I love that he's the one that's as far away from the Xenomorphs and the hybrids.

01:08:13.433 --> 01:08:15.973
[DEREK]: I thought that was a really good placement in that final episode.

01:08:15.973 --> 01:08:20.513
[JOHN]: Yeah, no, it is an interesting conversation that they have there as well.

01:08:20.513 --> 01:08:28.753
[JOHN]: I mean, even just like Joe's trying to say, I shot Nibs because she was hurting my friends as well.

01:08:30.333 --> 01:08:39.193
[JOHN]: I think there's an element of understanding there from Wendy, but it's equally, yes, then they have that conversation, really.

01:08:39.773 --> 01:08:49.913
[JOHN]: And that each time humans have spoken to her, even like, and I think it's coming from the Dame Sylvia thing, it's complicated.

01:08:49.913 --> 01:08:52.273
[JOHN]: Yes, you know, always saying that same thing.

01:08:52.273 --> 01:08:55.093
[JOHN]: In fact, maybe it's Arthur that never said that.

01:08:55.093 --> 01:09:01.773
[JOHN]: Yeah, he just treated them like people, whether they were or they weren't.

01:09:01.773 --> 01:09:07.793
[JOHN]: He wasn't getting into existential questions over it like Kirsh or Dame Sylvia.

01:09:07.933 --> 01:09:11.473
[JOHN]: It was like, well, we now have a duty to look after them.

01:09:11.473 --> 01:09:12.313
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:09:12.313 --> 01:09:15.953
[JOHN]: You know, he is the one that turned off the tracker and so on.

01:09:17.213 --> 01:09:24.213
[JOHN]: I think Smee understood he was a good person and that's why he was angry with Slightly, you know?

01:09:24.213 --> 01:09:26.693
[JOHN]: And I think that is a lot to be said for.

01:09:26.833 --> 01:09:39.733
[JOHN]: And that's, I think, the other thing with Joe is that it's lucky that Smee has that view of him, because I think he may have been less lucky, you know?

01:09:39.733 --> 01:09:40.333
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:09:40.333 --> 01:09:41.313
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:09:41.313 --> 01:09:51.873
[DEREK]: Last note I have is actually about Kirsh, because Kirsh was on my list of being the first created cyborg, the one that Boy K created to kill his father.

01:09:51.873 --> 01:09:52.993
[DEREK]: It would make a lot of sense, wouldn't it?

01:09:53.053 --> 01:09:58.773
[DEREK]: Because Kirsh has seemed quite murderous throughout the season and seems to kind of do what he wants to do.

01:09:58.773 --> 01:10:08.613
[DEREK]: That's the kind of thing that would happen if you created a synth that's six years old and it's been alive for 15, 16 years, you know, right by your side, had played the part of your father.

01:10:08.613 --> 01:10:12.713
[DEREK]: But then again, Kirsh not great with people either, so maybe not, maybe not.

01:10:12.713 --> 01:10:18.053
[DEREK]: But there is a moment early on in the episode where Atom Eins is surveying all the damage, surveying everything that happened.

01:10:18.053 --> 01:10:20.753
[DEREK]: He's talking over the microphone to Boy K and Boy K isn't responding.

01:10:20.893 --> 01:10:32.993
[DEREK]: And then he reaches out to Kirsh and Kirsh says to him, you know, with your ADHD, as extreme as it is, you should be taking your medication.

01:10:32.993 --> 01:10:37.873
[DEREK]: And I was wondering whether that was coming from him being a father figure to Boy K.

01:10:37.873 --> 01:10:39.473
[DEREK]: So I just wondered about it.

01:10:39.473 --> 01:10:50.653
[DEREK]: But again, I think it also makes sense that Atom Eins a little bit less intelligently played, I guess, as then Kirsh would be more of the first model and Kirsh would be a later model.

01:10:50.753 --> 01:10:52.413
[DEREK]: Maybe that's the case.

01:10:52.413 --> 01:10:56.093
[DEREK]: We may find out more about that in between seasons, perhaps.

01:10:56.093 --> 01:10:56.773
[JOHN]: Well, maybe.

01:10:56.773 --> 01:10:59.153
[JOHN]: But I mean, it's certainly...

01:10:59.153 --> 01:11:06.353
[JOHN]: You wouldn't know how soon after Atom Eins Kirsh is, because they don't have to go by age.

01:11:06.353 --> 01:11:06.693
[DEREK]: True.

01:11:06.693 --> 01:11:07.633
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:11:07.633 --> 01:11:08.873
[JOHN]: I mean, that's the other side of it.

01:11:08.873 --> 01:11:14.393
[JOHN]: But yeah, clearly if they've said that Atom Eins is that synth, then okay, fair enough.

01:11:14.413 --> 01:11:23.533
[DEREK]: Well, Adi Edmondson has said that, but actors have been knowing to be wrong when the writers get back in the writers room and think something is the right thing, the right way to go for the next season.

01:11:23.533 --> 01:11:35.433
[DEREK]: I also heard this week, before we close it out, I did hear this week Timothy Olyphant saying the worst thing on this show was having to dye his eyebrows white for the show, which was really painful.

01:11:35.433 --> 01:11:40.153
[DEREK]: But yeah, it's one that I just learnt this week in one of the interviews.

01:11:40.153 --> 01:11:43.453
[DEREK]: Anyway, so John, what did you think of this as the finale of Alien Earth Season 1?

01:11:44.113 --> 01:11:47.053
[JOHN]: I really, really enjoyed it, actually.

01:11:47.053 --> 01:11:52.213
[JOHN]: I give it four and a half crab claws out of five.

01:11:53.593 --> 01:11:57.293
[JOHN]: It wasn't necessarily what I was expecting.

01:11:57.293 --> 01:12:01.193
[JOHN]: To me, it was a curveball, but I enjoyed it.

01:12:01.193 --> 01:12:24.693
[JOHN]: I enjoyed the curveball of ultimately seeing this power dynamic shift from everyone, from the hybrids in the cell at the start to ultimately being the humans and those, the synths, and indeed Morrow ultimately started and ended in a cell at the end.

01:12:24.693 --> 01:12:37.353
[JOHN]: In between, I think what you got was this shifting power dynamic where a lot of soul searching was being done by Wendy, in particular around her relationship with her brother Joe.

01:12:37.713 --> 01:12:38.393
[JOHN]: And that's what I mean.

01:12:38.393 --> 01:12:41.093
[JOHN]: That's why I really enjoyed the Smee element to that.

01:12:41.093 --> 01:12:47.193
[JOHN]: I mean, I don't know whether I'm right, but it felt like that was a turning point for her.

01:12:47.193 --> 01:12:58.913
[JOHN]: I loved just seeing the barnacle come to life, getting Siberian, the fight between Kirsh and Morrow, these two antagonists.

01:12:58.913 --> 01:13:08.633
[JOHN]: And yeah, to me, I kind of thought this whole season was going to end off with the Xenomorph being culled because it's on Earth.

01:13:08.633 --> 01:13:14.653
[JOHN]: Not that there would be two of them and a whole rake of others.

01:13:14.653 --> 01:13:20.453
[JOHN]: So, yeah, I thought we would have seen the death of Boy Kavalier.

01:13:20.853 --> 01:13:29.453
[JOHN]: And I'm, in a sense, really pleased that all these characters are still thriving and breathing.

01:13:29.493 --> 01:13:30.573
[DEREK]: Yes, I want to know more.

01:13:30.573 --> 01:13:32.233
[JOHN]: Yeah, I want to know more.

01:13:32.233 --> 01:13:35.553
[JOHN]: So, for Jews, I thought it was a really good episode.

01:13:35.553 --> 01:13:40.133
[JOHN]: And I think it tied up a lot of stuff anyway, even if it kept a lot of stuff open.

01:13:40.133 --> 01:13:42.213
[JOHN]: And it was really good.

01:13:42.213 --> 01:13:47.853
[DEREK]: I think the story that's been tied up actually is the tale of Peter Pan, The Lost Boys and Neverland.

01:13:47.853 --> 01:13:50.033
[DEREK]: So we may never need to come back to this island.

01:13:50.033 --> 01:13:54.853
[DEREK]: We can go somewhere on Earth and have all of these characters doing different things in the next season, which is cool.

01:13:55.333 --> 01:13:55.953
[DEREK]: Yeah, very cool.

01:13:55.953 --> 01:13:57.453
[JOHN]: Yeah, definitely.

01:13:57.453 --> 01:13:58.673
[JOHN]: What about yourself, Derek?

01:13:58.673 --> 01:14:00.593
[DEREK]: Love this as a closure for season one.

01:14:00.593 --> 01:14:06.933
[DEREK]: I hope we get a season two announcement soon, because the sooner we get it, the more chance there is that it will start production soon.

01:14:06.933 --> 01:14:10.713
[DEREK]: And that means we're going to get more of this.

01:14:10.713 --> 01:14:11.753
[DEREK]: But that's absolutely fine.

01:14:11.753 --> 01:14:15.713
[DEREK]: Again, I do think the arc of this season was told really well.

01:14:15.713 --> 01:14:24.893
[DEREK]: I think there was really good stories and great characters and some really good, exciting action throughout the season and some fantastic scenes in this final episode as well.

01:14:24.893 --> 01:14:31.173
[DEREK]: So this has lived up as one of my favorite shows of the year, even to its final episode.

01:14:31.173 --> 01:14:33.873
[DEREK]: And I hope we're going to get more in the future.

01:14:34.093 --> 01:14:44.773
[DEREK]: My question originally was, would we have Noah Hawley's Legion type show where it continues with the same characters into an even better second season and an even better third season?

01:14:44.773 --> 01:14:50.233
[DEREK]: Or we have something like his Fargo where it's a completely different story set in that same world with brand new characters.

01:14:50.633 --> 01:14:55.453
[DEREK]: I'm really hopeful that these characters will come back next season because they're so well drawn.

01:14:55.453 --> 01:14:59.273
[DEREK]: I'd hate to throw all of them out and have a brand new set of characters next season.

01:14:59.273 --> 01:15:01.753
[DEREK]: So I hope we do get more with this crew.

01:15:01.753 --> 01:15:02.853
[JOHN]: Yeah, definitely.

01:15:02.853 --> 01:15:03.893
[JOHN]: Definitely.

01:15:03.893 --> 01:15:07.633
[DEREK]: Well, John, let's get on some feedback from our wonderful Lost Boys and Girls.

01:15:07.633 --> 01:15:10.353
[DEREK]: We recorded early last week and we're recording late this week.

01:15:10.353 --> 01:15:14.953
[DEREK]: So we do have some feedback that came in about Episode 7 after we'd recorded.

01:15:14.953 --> 01:15:18.693
[DEREK]: I'm going to start off with some feedback in on email from Robert Williams.

01:15:19.153 --> 01:15:22.393
[JOHN]: Yes, Robert says, wow, that ending.

01:15:22.393 --> 01:15:24.313
[JOHN]: Is she going to call back the Xenomorph?

01:15:24.313 --> 01:15:26.133
[JOHN]: Is she going to kill her brother?

01:15:26.133 --> 01:15:31.333
[JOHN]: I started hearing the metal music intro and I said, no way, they can't cut it here.

01:15:31.333 --> 01:15:33.273
[JOHN]: There's no way.

01:15:33.273 --> 01:15:39.833
[JOHN]: I think the kid actors are doing a great job acting as kids in a super futuristic robot body.

01:15:39.833 --> 01:15:43.433
[JOHN]: The way they act around the chest bursting was totally believable.

01:15:43.433 --> 01:15:54.413
[JOHN]: I also believe outside of maybe one of the Alien prequel movies Prometheus of a chest bursting out in the open as opposed to an inclusive space on the spaceship.

01:15:54.413 --> 01:15:59.693
[JOHN]: It struck me how the change in scenery really does change the whole experience of watching.

01:15:59.693 --> 01:16:07.913
[JOHN]: I don't know if it's my natural human feeling that outside there's more room to run and get away from it, but I don't quite know how to explain it.

01:16:07.913 --> 01:16:09.393
[JOHN]: Do you guys get that?

01:16:09.393 --> 01:16:10.553
[JOHN]: Thanks for the great pod.

01:16:10.613 --> 01:16:12.213
[JOHN]: As always, guys, cheers.

01:16:12.213 --> 01:16:17.933
[JOHN]: Robert from South Carolina, still hunkered inside from the giant mozzies.

01:16:17.933 --> 01:16:27.033
[JOHN]: Well, hopefully, you need a few of the barnacle pods to just plug them out of the air.

01:16:27.033 --> 01:16:29.553
[DEREK]: Maybe that might work.

01:16:29.553 --> 01:16:32.973
[DEREK]: They've got a taste for human flesh though, unfortunately, so don't walk underneath them.

01:16:32.973 --> 01:16:34.093
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:16:34.093 --> 01:16:35.113
[JOHN]: Great stuff, Robert.

01:16:35.113 --> 01:16:37.153
[JOHN]: Thanks for that.

01:16:38.953 --> 01:17:06.693
[JOHN]: I think certainly, in terms of that change of scenery from not being inside a spaceship but being out on an island, I think it's a really interesting choice because even, I would say, the sense of the Xenomorph, it looks more mottled and green, like it's camouflaging, it's evolving or it's responded to its surroundings.

01:17:06.693 --> 01:17:06.973
[DEREK]: Yes.

01:17:07.493 --> 01:17:12.773
[JOHN]: This notion of growing up effectively.

01:17:13.293 --> 01:17:28.273
[JOHN]: And so rather than going in pure black and white, like the interior of a spaceship, and picking one of those colours, I guess a pure white sort of albinos and morphos would have been quite interesting.

01:17:28.273 --> 01:17:31.833
[DEREK]: But there is one of those in one of the Prometheus.

01:17:31.833 --> 01:17:33.093
[JOHN]: Yes, there is actually.

01:17:33.093 --> 01:17:38.573
[JOHN]: So I think this, I think it is a different feeling outside.

01:17:38.573 --> 01:17:45.233
[JOHN]: I think in terms of whether it feels safe and that you've got more space to run.

01:17:48.093 --> 01:17:50.753
[JOHN]: Yeah, I think it just feels like.

01:17:52.333 --> 01:17:54.173
[JOHN]: I'm not entirely sure it makes me feel safer.

01:17:54.313 --> 01:17:59.673
[JOHN]: I think I just feel like it would be like a lion chasing me down in the Serengeti or something.

01:18:00.113 --> 01:18:05.233
[JOHN]: Yeah, there's a lot of space, but actually I'm in their world here.

01:18:05.233 --> 01:18:08.613
[DEREK]: Yeah, I wouldn't be running anywhere to try and find where it disappeared to.

01:18:08.613 --> 01:18:10.753
[DEREK]: I just want to keep as far away from it as possible.

01:18:10.753 --> 01:18:19.993
[DEREK]: So the fact that, you know, in that scene afterwards, Kirsh has captured the the runaway chestburster that's becoming the Xenomorph quite quickly after it gets away.

01:18:19.993 --> 01:18:21.013
[DEREK]: I was pretty happy with that.

01:18:21.193 --> 01:18:46.653
[DEREK]: But the fact that there's another Xenomorph on the island roaming around, you know, I feel like being a member of that, of those guards of the security team who are being sent out, you know, team number 65, it's your time to go out and hunt down the Xenomorph that's killed, you know, hundreds of people like the voiceover in this episode from Atom Eins saying, you know, and they're kind of running out of men now, you know, they had a massive security team at the beginning of the season.

01:18:46.653 --> 01:18:48.473
[DEREK]: And now they're running short of people.

01:18:49.073 --> 01:18:52.673
[DEREK]: Yeah, the Xenos are still terrifying out in the open as well.

01:18:52.673 --> 01:18:53.873
[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:18:54.893 --> 01:18:55.553
[JOHN]: Great stuff.

01:18:55.553 --> 01:18:56.213
[JOHN]: Thanks, Robert.

01:18:56.733 --> 01:18:57.573
[DEREK]: Thanks, ours.

01:18:57.573 --> 01:19:02.013
[DEREK]: Christina Jones sent in a message to us just before the finale came out for Alien Earth.

01:19:02.013 --> 01:19:04.293
[DEREK]: She says, Greetings from Ohio, John and Derek.

01:19:04.293 --> 01:19:11.833
[DEREK]: I have let Facebook and Twitter go, thus I can't drop a line to offer my continued enjoyment of your platform in the millisecond of time I have in this busy, busy life.

01:19:11.833 --> 01:19:14.733
[DEREK]: But no, you guys always bring me joy with your reviews.

01:19:15.013 --> 01:19:18.553
[DEREK]: I love this show, and I'm so pleased to hear your excitement as well.

01:19:18.553 --> 01:19:25.853
[DEREK]: What they have managed to do with the hybrids and the other aliens is the step forward in this franchise that you want to see for such a beloved genre.

01:19:25.853 --> 01:19:31.073
[DEREK]: Just know the image is known as Eilisha, she's a diva and the name fits.

01:19:31.073 --> 01:19:32.013
[DEREK]: Ah, fantastic.

01:19:32.013 --> 01:19:33.433
[JOHN]: That is superb.

01:19:34.633 --> 01:19:38.933
[DEREK]: Kirsh out here trying to take the Zaddi award away from the Mandalorian as well.

01:19:38.933 --> 01:19:48.133
[DEREK]: The themes of this series are incredibly fascinating, taking advantage of the most vulnerable in society, grooming, psychological trauma, and what it means to be human in an inhumane world.

01:19:48.133 --> 01:19:50.553
[DEREK]: Can you domesticate a wild animal?

01:19:50.553 --> 01:19:52.993
[DEREK]: Hearing the Chino stories, I think not.

01:19:52.993 --> 01:19:54.993
[DEREK]: Are the humans better than the monsters?

01:19:54.993 --> 01:19:58.333
[DEREK]: It reminds me of a George Carlin bit when he compared chickens to humans.

01:19:58.533 --> 01:20:01.373
[DEREK]: They don't put car batteries on each other's nipples or nuts.

01:20:01.373 --> 01:20:04.013
[DEREK]: No chicken ever came home and smacked his head.

01:20:04.013 --> 01:20:06.213
[DEREK]: Good stuff and poignantly relevant.

01:20:06.213 --> 01:20:07.193
[DEREK]: Wow, that is true.

01:20:07.193 --> 01:20:09.373
[DEREK]: Looking forward to listening to your finale review.

01:20:09.453 --> 01:20:14.013
[DEREK]: Hopefully, we get a Season 2, Christina aka Black Girl Couch Reviews.

01:20:14.013 --> 01:20:17.193
[DEREK]: Thanks so much, Christina, for your thoughts coming up to the finale.

01:20:17.193 --> 01:20:19.633
[DEREK]: Thanks so much for your compliments for the podcast.

01:20:19.633 --> 01:20:21.633
[DEREK]: I've been listening along to your coverage as well.

01:20:21.633 --> 01:20:24.973
[DEREK]: It's been really good hearing your thoughts as well.

01:20:24.973 --> 01:20:28.733
[JOHN]: I must say thank you for Ailisha.

01:20:28.733 --> 01:20:29.393
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:20:29.393 --> 01:20:29.953
[DEREK]: That's brilliant.

01:20:29.953 --> 01:20:32.593
[JOHN]: She is a diva indeed.

01:20:32.593 --> 01:20:33.573
[DEREK]: Love it.

01:20:33.613 --> 01:20:52.893
[JOHN]: I'm just so, you know, I think the iMage, you know, OctiEyeball, whatever, T Oculus, whatever you want to call it, it's just fantastic that this little critter has just generated all this chitchat about, well, what should we call it?

01:20:52.893 --> 01:21:01.773
[JOHN]: Like, you know, I mean, ultimately, it's an alien, but it is superb and-

01:21:01.773 --> 01:21:06.853
[DEREK]: It is, and you forgot the other one, John, the alien, which was also one of my favorites in the season.

01:21:06.853 --> 01:21:08.693
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:21:08.693 --> 01:21:16.693
[JOHN]: But there are so many, there's just so many, and I have to say, Ailisha has made it right up to the top of the list.

01:21:17.153 --> 01:21:18.373
[JOHN]: Yep.

01:21:18.373 --> 01:21:21.713
[JOHN]: Yeah, interesting, Kirsh or the Mandalorian.

01:21:21.713 --> 01:21:28.473
[JOHN]: I guess there's less metal to have to drill through with Kirsh.

01:21:28.473 --> 01:21:31.813
[DEREK]: True, although he is entirely metal.

01:21:31.813 --> 01:21:35.793
[JOHN]: But maybe once you get past that, it's only skin deep with Kirsh.

01:21:35.793 --> 01:21:36.893
[DEREK]: Maybe.

01:21:36.893 --> 01:21:39.553
[JOHN]: And there's a lot of ping pong balls and stuff in there.

01:21:39.553 --> 01:21:49.833
[JOHN]: I'm trying to think back to Asher's innards in the first Alien, where it looked like a table tennis kit had been attacked with a bottle of milk.

01:21:49.833 --> 01:21:55.173
[DEREK]: But that's what I meant when he gave the kids the thing to tie up Morrow.

01:21:55.173 --> 01:21:57.393
[DEREK]: It looked like ping pong balls on string.

01:21:57.393 --> 01:22:02.653
[DEREK]: So it looked like the stuff that was inside Ash when we saw him cut open.

01:22:02.653 --> 01:22:03.553
[JOHN]: Yes.

01:22:03.553 --> 01:22:05.013
[JOHN]: Yes, it did.

01:22:05.013 --> 01:22:08.593
[JOHN]: Or something else, which I can't say on a PG podcast.

01:22:08.593 --> 01:22:09.033
[DEREK]: True.

01:22:09.033 --> 01:22:12.793
[DEREK]: Anyway, Christina, thank you so much for your email, as always.

01:22:12.793 --> 01:22:13.533
[JOHN]: Absolutely.

01:22:13.533 --> 01:22:14.933
[JOHN]: Thanks so much, Christina.

01:22:14.933 --> 01:22:18.733
[DEREK]: I'm looking forward to hearing your own finale podcast over on Black Girl Catch Reviews as well.

01:22:20.233 --> 01:22:22.713
[JOHN]: Also on Episode 7, Dr.

01:22:22.713 --> 01:22:27.113
[JOHN]: Bob Phillips says, This has been a consistently superb show.

01:22:27.113 --> 01:22:32.753
[JOHN]: The chess game of Kirsh and Morrow is reaching its peak.

01:22:32.753 --> 01:22:37.513
[JOHN]: Will the fruit or the vegetable come out on top in the end?

01:22:37.513 --> 01:22:48.833
[JOHN]: The Smee and Slightly actors shocked me each week with their pitch of their small boy performances, and the horror of the chessbuster was renewed by seeing this through a child's eyes.

01:22:48.833 --> 01:22:53.873
[JOHN]: What a way to hammer this home without it being too much and using a child actor.

01:22:53.873 --> 01:23:00.393
[JOHN]: Also a good reminder for all non-pediatricians that you never disrespect a soft toy.

01:23:00.393 --> 01:23:05.093
[JOHN]: While not usually deadly, the consequences are dreadful.

01:23:05.173 --> 01:23:09.213
[JOHN]: Indeed, soft toys still got them.

01:23:09.213 --> 01:23:13.953
[DEREK]: Nibs would not have killed that soldier if he hadn't taken our soft toy away.

01:23:13.953 --> 01:23:17.633
[DEREK]: So yeah, you definitely don't do that, especially someone going through what Nibs is going through as well.

01:23:17.633 --> 01:23:19.133
[JOHN]: Don't take away my Henry.

01:23:19.133 --> 01:23:20.693
[DEREK]: We will not, John, we will not.

01:23:20.693 --> 01:23:26.013
[DEREK]: He will sit atop the bed or atop the wardrobe, wherever you want him to be.

01:23:26.013 --> 01:23:27.593
[JOHN]: I'm off to talk about soft toys.

01:23:27.753 --> 01:23:30.573
[JOHN]: I'll give a shout out to Eeyore as well.

01:23:30.573 --> 01:23:32.813
[JOHN]: One of my friends soft toys as well.

01:23:33.073 --> 01:23:36.653
[DEREK]: Yes, yes, Eeyore Jones, follow him on Instagram.

01:23:36.653 --> 01:23:37.453
[JOHN]: Exactly.

01:23:37.453 --> 01:23:40.213
[DEREK]: Yes, he travels the world with one of our soft toys.

01:23:40.213 --> 01:23:41.473
[JOHN]: Soft toys are important.

01:23:41.953 --> 01:23:43.373
[DEREK]: They certainly are.

01:23:43.373 --> 01:23:43.793
[JOHN]: Good stuff.

01:23:43.793 --> 01:23:44.813
[JOHN]: Thanks, Dr.

01:23:44.813 --> 01:23:45.073
[JOHN]: Bob.

01:23:45.073 --> 01:23:54.133
[JOHN]: And I totally agree around Smee and Slightly as actors and what they're doing there, really, really good.

01:23:54.133 --> 01:23:55.453
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:23:55.453 --> 01:23:55.913
[DEREK]: Thanks, Dr.

01:23:55.913 --> 01:23:56.673
[DEREK]: Bob.

01:23:56.673 --> 01:23:59.793
[DEREK]: We have thoughts on this episode from Coffee and Vodka.

01:23:59.953 --> 01:24:03.093
[DEREK]: He says, Greetings, fellow pan-pretender defenders.

01:24:03.093 --> 01:24:04.313
[DEREK]: Now we rule.

01:24:04.313 --> 01:24:07.133
[DEREK]: Beginning with the end, a perfect conclusion on Cliffhanger.

01:24:07.133 --> 01:24:10.673
[DEREK]: This was all very much the Wendy show and deservedly so.

01:24:10.673 --> 01:24:20.493
[DEREK]: Her manipulation of the security systems, command of the Lost Boys and calling in of the Xenomorph troops pretty much made it her versus everyone with the outcome never really in doubt.

01:24:20.493 --> 01:24:26.553
[DEREK]: The smooth cause and effect progression throughout blurred and streamlined the details, seemingly halving the runtime.

01:24:26.553 --> 01:24:29.293
[DEREK]: All the result of an excellent series of plans coming together.

01:24:29.693 --> 01:24:40.653
[DEREK]: And it all began with Nibs, who was nice to see still alive, comparing their merry hybrid band to Ghosts and Wendy, all but saying, we're not locked in here with them, they're locked in here with us.

01:24:40.653 --> 01:24:47.253
[DEREK]: Speaking of, when the cell doors separate in Kavalier and the Lost Boys popped open, I could almost hear viewers worldwide cheer.

01:24:47.253 --> 01:25:03.833
[DEREK]: Maro and Kirsh cancelling each other out, with the help of me and Slightly, the cornering of Dame Sylvia by Nibs, oh that smile, the deliciously deserved game of hide and seek, Wendy's melting of Hermit's moral logic, and all the other elements made this one of the best season closures I've ever seen.

01:25:03.833 --> 01:25:05.773
[DEREK]: Oh, so ready for season two.

01:25:05.773 --> 01:25:11.453
[DEREK]: Five boy captives, hybrid on human head games, and proxy poppers out of five.

01:25:11.453 --> 01:25:13.633
[DEREK]: Peace and take care, Coffee and Vodka.

01:25:13.633 --> 01:25:15.453
[JOHN]: Great stuff, Coffee and Vodka.

01:25:15.793 --> 01:25:20.953
[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely, totally agree with all of that.

01:25:20.953 --> 01:25:22.533
[JOHN]: Really good episode.

01:25:22.533 --> 01:25:23.693
[DEREK]: Yeah, absolutely.

01:25:23.693 --> 01:25:24.873
[DEREK]: Great stuff, thanks Coffee and Vodka.

01:25:24.873 --> 01:25:26.373
[DEREK]: Thanks for your thoughts throughout the season as well.

01:25:26.453 --> 01:25:27.753
[DEREK]: It's been really good hearing you.

01:25:27.753 --> 01:25:29.473
[JOHN]: Yes.

01:25:29.473 --> 01:25:31.813
[JOHN]: Also on Episode 8, Dr.

01:25:31.813 --> 01:25:42.273
[JOHN]: Bob Phillips says, and that is why you don't let children take charge of a major Weapons of Mass Destruction Aliens-Containing Secret Bunker.

01:25:42.273 --> 01:25:48.393
[JOHN]: I really enjoyed this where the tone of the series was kept and didn't blow out in a massive battle.

01:25:48.393 --> 01:25:58.473
[JOHN]: There has to be a season two so we can find out more about Zeno, Flytraps, ZombieArthurs and the Butler who only has eyes for Marcy.

01:25:58.473 --> 01:26:04.833
[JOHN]: I have to pay a special comment for the aesthetics of the Prison Cell benches as well.

01:26:04.833 --> 01:26:05.613
[JOHN]: Yeah, good stuff.

01:26:05.613 --> 01:26:07.853
[JOHN]: Totally agree.

01:26:07.853 --> 01:26:13.693
[JOHN]: I think that's why, I mean, I've probably been saying, Oh, it's a curve ball.

01:26:13.693 --> 01:26:15.653
[JOHN]: Oh, it just felt different.

01:26:15.653 --> 01:26:16.653
[JOHN]: Not even a curve ball.

01:26:16.653 --> 01:26:18.733
[JOHN]: It just felt different.

01:26:18.733 --> 01:26:27.793
[JOHN]: And I think that's because, as you say, the tone of it is just very consistent with previous ones where normally, yes, you would get that huge battle.

01:26:27.793 --> 01:26:46.313
[JOHN]: You got the sense of that with, for example, Yutani and her troops coming in at the end with just seeing, you know, the Xenomorph go out and pick off a few more of the Prodigy troops in the jungle on a bridge next to the Xen garden.

01:26:46.313 --> 01:26:48.053
[JOHN]: Well, you know, all that kind of stuff.

01:26:48.053 --> 01:27:01.373
[JOHN]: So and and definitely for me, you know, the the fly traps or the barnacle and the zombie authors, definitely I want to know more about and see how this unfolds.

01:27:01.373 --> 01:27:01.713
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:27:01.713 --> 01:27:03.313
[DEREK]: It's funny, isn't it?

01:27:03.313 --> 01:27:10.773
[DEREK]: It was only when we were sitting down to podcast that I realized Atom Eins and Marcy Wendy didn't actually fight.

01:27:10.773 --> 01:27:16.073
[DEREK]: It's just because he was in prep the whole time, taking off his jacket, getting ready for the fight.

01:27:16.073 --> 01:27:19.273
[DEREK]: I thought the two of them were throwing loads, loads through that episode.

01:27:19.273 --> 01:27:24.193
[DEREK]: I thought there was a big exciting action sequence that I had seen and we didn't see it at all.

01:27:24.193 --> 01:27:26.173
[DEREK]: She just stopped him dead there.

01:27:26.173 --> 01:27:34.073
[DEREK]: Before he could even hit her with a frying pan, like everybody was hoping, eight Edmonds would do at some point through this season.

01:27:34.133 --> 01:27:34.533
[DEREK]: Great stuff.

01:27:34.533 --> 01:27:34.993
[DEREK]: Thanks, Dr.

01:27:34.993 --> 01:27:36.953
[DEREK]: Bob, for your thoughts on the finale as well.

01:27:36.953 --> 01:27:37.753
[JOHN]: Yeah, thanks, Dr.

01:27:37.753 --> 01:27:38.533
[JOHN]: Bob.

01:27:38.533 --> 01:27:40.973
[DEREK]: Paul Tenshuli says, Oh boy, oh boy.

01:27:40.973 --> 01:27:45.153
[DEREK]: Good on Joe for punching, actually, correction, kicking Boy K.

01:27:45.153 --> 01:27:52.473
[DEREK]: I called it on Atom Eins being a synth back in my Episode 2 comment, but I did get it wrong about Kirsh being a copy of Kavalier Senior.

01:27:52.473 --> 01:28:01.293
[DEREK]: This does leave open the question of if Kirsh was another Boy K model, because if he is, what part of his design made Morrow say that he's an old model?

01:28:01.633 --> 01:28:05.433
[DEREK]: Though I guess Morrow could mean that the hybrids are the new models.

01:28:05.433 --> 01:28:07.153
[DEREK]: That's a really interesting point.

01:28:07.233 --> 01:28:08.313
[JOHN]: Yeah.

01:28:08.313 --> 01:28:25.253
[JOHN]: To be honest, I think I always took it from Morrow that he was having this dig that in a sense the synths are obsolete or potentially obsolete, but also at face value that you are an older model.

01:28:25.253 --> 01:28:25.513
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:28:25.513 --> 01:28:29.833
[DEREK]: That he may have seen someone that looked like Kirsh before he left Earth on his travels.

01:28:29.913 --> 01:28:31.293
[DEREK]: So an old model.

01:28:31.293 --> 01:28:36.773
[DEREK]: But yeah, he did say in that conversation later on, how does it feel like working for the company that's making you obsolete?

01:28:37.453 --> 01:28:46.373
[DEREK]: So yeah, he could have just been having a dig as well in that hilarious, very pointed argument before they get to their fight in this episode.

01:28:46.373 --> 01:28:53.713
[DEREK]: Paul continues, while we haven't left Peter Pan behind, the overarching narrative has also definitely entered Pinocchio territory.

01:28:53.713 --> 01:29:07.073
[DEREK]: I don't know about any of the lore from the various Alien comics, but as of Prometheus and Covenant, we are aware that the Xenomorphs incorporate the genetics of what, whoever the facehugger impregnates, which makes Xenomorphs the ultimate hybridizer-colonizer.

01:29:07.073 --> 01:29:13.393
[DEREK]: Both the Xenomorphs at the end of the episode are hybrids with human tissue, the older one crossed with Joe's lung and the younger one with Arthur.

01:29:13.393 --> 01:29:20.393
[DEREK]: It is unclear how those human genetics might alter the Xenomorphs, but Noah Hawley can certainly explore that idea in future season.

01:29:20.393 --> 01:29:23.993
[DEREK]: Poor Arthur, who gets chest-bursted and eye-bursted.

01:29:23.993 --> 01:29:28.833
[DEREK]: Also, does anyone besides Slightly, Smee, Morrow and Kirsh know that Arthur died.

01:29:28.833 --> 01:29:38.353
[DEREK]: Atom Eins only knew that Arthur didn't get on the regular flight out, and it's unclear if Kirsh would have given an update to Boy K after they were both put into that cell.

01:29:38.353 --> 01:29:41.153
[DEREK]: Finally, what a great season of television.

01:29:41.153 --> 01:29:44.033
[DEREK]: Can't wait to find out when a season two might get going.

01:29:44.033 --> 01:29:46.413
[JOHN]: Yeah, absolutely, Paul.

01:29:47.613 --> 01:29:51.333
[JOHN]: Such a good TV show.

01:29:52.733 --> 01:29:56.273
[JOHN]: Yeah, I mean, poor Arthur indeed.

01:29:56.953 --> 01:30:04.793
[JOHN]: But despite that, I think still him coming back as a zombie, eye-controlled meat bag.

01:30:04.793 --> 01:30:08.273
[JOHN]: Ultimately, I was like, yeah, he is kind of alive.

01:30:08.273 --> 01:30:09.273
[DEREK]: Sort of.

01:30:09.273 --> 01:30:11.333
[JOHN]: But at least the actor can come back.

01:30:11.333 --> 01:30:12.653
[DEREK]: He's not being left as crab food.

01:30:12.673 --> 01:30:13.633
[JOHN]: Exactly.

01:30:13.633 --> 01:30:14.953
[DEREK]: Or housing for crabs.

01:30:15.173 --> 01:30:20.833
[JOHN]: I mean, I suspect the old T Ocellus will drop him quite quickly if he gets the opportunity.

01:30:20.833 --> 01:30:30.533
[JOHN]: But you're right, you know, he has actually so far racked up more bursting from aliens than anyone could ever possibly imagine.

01:30:30.533 --> 01:30:32.173
[DEREK]: Yes.

01:30:32.173 --> 01:30:41.593
[JOHN]: The only thing that needs to happen now is that the pod can whip him up into and T Ocellus has to escape being sort of...

01:30:41.593 --> 01:30:43.073
[DEREK]: I was literally just thinking the same thing.

01:30:43.113 --> 01:30:49.533
[DEREK]: I hope he doesn't walk back into the lab and the pod takes the body as T Ocellus leaves it behind.

01:30:50.913 --> 01:30:51.433
[DEREK]: Great stuff.

01:30:51.433 --> 01:30:52.853
[DEREK]: Thanks so much for your feedback.

01:30:52.853 --> 01:30:53.813
[JOHN]: Yeah, great stuff.

01:30:53.813 --> 01:30:54.373
[JOHN]: Thanks, Paul.

01:30:54.373 --> 01:31:07.113
[JOHN]: I also do like the idea that Noah Hawley might explore this, the genetics and the hybridizer, the colonizer element of the Xenomorphs.

01:31:07.113 --> 01:31:10.973
[JOHN]: It feels like Noah Hawley would kind of look at that.

01:31:10.973 --> 01:31:11.493
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:31:11.933 --> 01:31:14.693
[JOHN]: So it would be interesting to see.

01:31:14.953 --> 01:31:21.953
[JOHN]: I think that could also potentially come across from Ailisha as well.

01:31:21.953 --> 01:31:22.293
[JOHN]: Good.

01:31:22.293 --> 01:31:23.393
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:31:23.393 --> 01:31:24.113
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:31:24.113 --> 01:31:24.933
[DEREK]: Yeah.

01:31:25.073 --> 01:31:27.113
[DEREK]: I think there was actually something in Alien Resurrection as well.

01:31:27.113 --> 01:31:35.033
[DEREK]: The swimming aliens that we had in there, the swimming Xenomorphs that we had in there, that's because they were created from something that could swim.

01:31:35.033 --> 01:31:36.973
[DEREK]: I think it was in there as well.

01:31:36.973 --> 01:31:43.673
[DEREK]: So it has been involved in other movies, not just the ones that are not exactly connected to the Alien movies as well.

01:31:43.673 --> 01:31:46.673
[DEREK]: So I think you can take inspiration and run with it.

01:31:46.673 --> 01:31:47.333
[JOHN]: Good stuff.

01:31:47.333 --> 01:31:48.293
[JOHN]: Excellent.

01:31:48.293 --> 01:31:49.253
[JOHN]: Thanks, Paul.

01:31:49.253 --> 01:31:54.093
[JOHN]: And finally, John Daniel says, I adored the entire season.

01:31:54.093 --> 01:31:58.353
[JOHN]: I was perpetually surprised by most of the big events and twists.

01:31:58.353 --> 01:32:04.353
[JOHN]: Arthur becoming reanimated by the alien was absolutely not on my bingo card.

01:32:04.353 --> 01:32:06.533
[JOHN]: I cannot wait for season two.

01:32:07.633 --> 01:32:13.793
[JOHN]: Likewise, John, really looking forward to the next season of this show.

01:32:13.793 --> 01:32:15.693
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:32:15.693 --> 01:32:22.533
[DEREK]: Just the more I think about it, even from Paul's message there and from John, like, you know, the one who gets it worst in the show is Arthur.

01:32:22.533 --> 01:32:30.093
[DEREK]: And all he did was create the kids, give them a life, treat them like humans, and tell them that he loved them.

01:32:30.093 --> 01:32:31.813
[JOHN]: And kept to his principles, I guess.

01:32:32.493 --> 01:32:37.413
[DEREK]: Yeah, I guess another lesson for people who stick to their principles.

01:32:39.393 --> 01:32:40.533
[DEREK]: Oh no.

01:32:40.533 --> 01:32:45.293
[JOHN]: But hopefully, he will inherit the Earth in T Ocellus form.

01:32:45.293 --> 01:32:58.813
[DEREK]: Yeah, I think there'll be a ship that arrives back to Earth in a hundred years time after everybody gets out of their car, sleep and arrive back, and everybody on Earth will turn to look at the sky, and they'll all have aliens inside their eyeballs.

01:33:00.913 --> 01:33:01.753
[DEREK]: The future.

01:33:01.753 --> 01:33:02.413
[DEREK]: Excellent stuff.

01:33:02.413 --> 01:33:06.033
[DEREK]: Thank you so much for joining us for our chats all about Alien Earth this season.

01:33:06.033 --> 01:33:12.013
[DEREK]: It's been such a great show to cover and it always made better by your feedback and your thoughts throughout the season.

01:33:12.013 --> 01:33:20.853
[DEREK]: You can keep getting contact with us, of course, by emailing us to feedback@tvpodcastindustries.com, and also subscribe to the podcast over on tvpodcastindustries.com.

01:33:21.733 --> 01:33:24.513
[DEREK]: Because we are covering so much other stuff.

01:33:24.513 --> 01:33:25.653
[JOHN]: We certainly are.

01:33:25.653 --> 01:33:26.833
[JOHN]: Yes.

01:33:26.833 --> 01:33:33.793
[JOHN]: We are also chatting about the second series of The Boys Gen V and we are back.

01:33:33.793 --> 01:33:44.213
[JOHN]: Speaking of zombies, we are back with Marvel zombies as well, just in time for the usual spooky season as well.

01:33:44.213 --> 01:33:45.233
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:33:45.233 --> 01:33:45.833
[DEREK]: That's really good.

01:33:45.953 --> 01:33:47.213
[DEREK]: We watched the four episodes already.

01:33:47.213 --> 01:33:48.693
[DEREK]: We haven't podcast on them yet.

01:33:49.013 --> 01:33:50.773
[DEREK]: We want to hear your thoughts about them.

01:33:50.773 --> 01:33:51.973
[DEREK]: But the arc of the season is really good.

01:33:51.973 --> 01:33:54.193
[DEREK]: I love that they've done a four-episode arc there.

01:33:54.193 --> 01:33:55.133
[JOHN]: Yeah, definitely.

01:33:55.133 --> 01:34:01.013
[DEREK]: On Marvel zombies with some great appearances from Marvel characters that I wasn't expecting we'd see in any project.

01:34:01.013 --> 01:34:02.613
[JOHN]: No, exactly.

01:34:02.613 --> 01:34:07.133
[JOHN]: Also, we are closing out our Sandman as well.

01:34:07.133 --> 01:34:11.733
[JOHN]: Lots on the table still for TV Podcast Industries.

01:34:11.733 --> 01:34:18.713
[JOHN]: We really hope that you can join us on these airwaves to listen to our dulcet tones.

01:34:18.713 --> 01:34:19.213
[DEREK]: Absolutely.

01:34:19.213 --> 01:34:21.533
[DEREK]: And thanks so much once again for joining us for Alien Earth.

01:34:21.533 --> 01:34:25.553
[DEREK]: Hopefully, we'll be back with Alien Earth for Season 2 when it eventually gets announced.

01:34:25.553 --> 01:34:27.813
[JOHN]: Yes, touch wood.

01:34:27.813 --> 01:34:33.253
[JOHN]: Yes, thank you so much, fellow Lost Boys, fellow aliens, for joining us.

01:34:33.253 --> 01:34:40.533
[JOHN]: Really been good to delve into this really exciting series of Alien Earth by Noah Hawley.

01:34:40.533 --> 01:34:43.853
[JOHN]: Until next time, keep watching, keep listening.

01:34:44.173 --> 01:34:46.133
[JOHN]: And of course, keep screaming.

01:34:46.133 --> 01:34:46.913
[DEREK]: Bye.

01:34:46.913 --> 01:34:47.073
[JOHN]: Bye.

01:35:19.101 --> 01:35:20.641
[JOHN]: I'm asked to talk about soft toys.

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[JOHN]: I'll give a shout out as well to Eeyore Jones.

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[DEREK]: Yes.

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[JOHN]: I'll give a shout out to Eeyore as well.

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[DEREK]: Give a shout out, maybe try that again.

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[DEREK]: That's if the T Oculus gets inside a fish.